Job Add: UK, permenant

Neither of them for embedded stuff but never mind:

Oh... I just hate words like "dynamic" in job ads. Do you mean they'll be gone tomorrow?

I haven't lived in the UK for some years now but from what I hear of the cost of living there those salaries sound rather low for the skill level required or am I just out of touch?

Mike Harding

You are out of touch, they are very attractive salaries.

Leon

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These require low level programming and device drivers. Also a good understanding of PC hw that you are less likely to find on the PC programming groups.

No. They are a solid company that have been around a couple of years and are expanding.

Yes. You are a bit I am sad to say.

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You are way put of touch. These are good salaries IMHO.

Ian

Is the pay scale really that low over there? I would expect the salaries to be at least double that.

god - did you keep in mind that they don't use USD $ in the UK?

(Top-posting and unabashed full-message requote corrected).

You do realize those are pounds sterling, yes? Those salaries compare quite favorably with East Coast US salaries.

To who? Unless things have gone down hill there. I was on a salary of £40k in 1988 just before I left. At that time the house I bought for 55K in 1986 sold for 98k in March 1989, and was advertised last week at

247k. how the hell can anyone afford a house there? Even if most of them are identical looking boxes.

Al

someone who needs a job.

They have, Yes these salaries may be less than what was available in 1999, but in the current market for an engineering position they are good salaries (if they are genuine!)

Then you weren't an engineer were you? In 1989 before I returned to contracting IIRC was on 21K, that was a very good salary for a senior engineer.

They can't. Nearly all of that increase from 100K to 250K has happend in the last 4 years, During which joininmg salaries for engineers have gone down 20%.

tim

Oh you need not be sad, I'm damn glad I haven't lived there for a while - I much prefer Australia :)

Mike Harding

Well hooray for you.

Those of us uncomfortably close to reality know that salaries of 40 to 72% of house price are rare.

Reality here is more like less than 20%.

WE CAN'T! Even if we have jobs!

Mortgages are typically 3 or 4 times salary maximum.

In practice, houses have always cost over five times my normal salary. And that's as an engineer with two degrees. God knows how the average person manages it.

The housing market is like a nightmare chain letter driven by human greed. Houses now cost way more than their materials, but we all scrabble to join. :-<

Houseowners rejoice but they are usually no better off when they have to move. It's not so much an increase in real wealth as a decrease in the buying power of money.

Maybe us engineers will eventually have to move to India to get the work outsourced by short-sighted Western countries.

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I think it will eventually come full circle and we will all end up working in call centres for far eastern manufacturers.

You are right about UK house prices. If you own a house it is supposedly worth more, but the next house you want to buy is also that much more expensive. And if you live in an area with low prices and have to move to a "popular" area....

It's either that or living on the street though. Wouldn't be surprised to find some engineers there.

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Tim Mitchell

In Japan, land is so scarce and population so high that mortgages are passed on to children.

Britain will end up like that one day.

I would live in a tent but it would only save a few K.

Plus one still needs a place to cook, ingest and expel food, wash, and a computer with net connections.

Buddy can you spare a job?

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But, all of us Americans know that we are the center of the universe. Besides, that's still only 1.7 ish times the salary stated, not at least double. ;)

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Richard

You make me so pleased I moved to Australia 10 years ago :)

We've had a bit of a house boom in Melbourne recently but you can still buy a very nice 2 bed unit (small house) with a postage stamp garden, 50 mins drive from the city centre for A$150k or UKP57k. In the country towns around 2 hours drive from the city you can buy a family house for anything from A$130k upwards. Not sure if it's true but I heard the government was selling off housing in Swan Hill (Vic) 4 hours drive from Melbourne for A$10k! Mind you there's damn all work in Swan Hill.

Mike Harding

Ker-ching!

Great, I'll buy one and telecommute!

Sod the garden, I'll be indoors designing circuits.

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They are.

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I worked for the UK office of a US corporation as Managing Engineer Systems Division. A corporate wide hands on engineering role, rather than a management role.

In 1997 when I last went back the house was valued at 70k, the market had taaken a dive. Yet purchasing seems out of reach of first time buyers, especially, yet rents, when I last looked were horrendous. Given the mass sell offs of council housing I can't imagine how you can get by

Al