siren circuit

Is John Popelish here? I changed the labeling since my last post. I am still having difficulty to fully grasp this circuit. My next questions are as follows:

I also removed the LED because we can see the simulation without it, and it does not (I think) effect the analysis.

I have noticed that if we increase R2 from 47K to 2M the circuit will still oscillate, but any further increase and the circuit will not oscillate. I was wondering if I could obtain a formula to calculate the maximum value (which is

2M by inspection of simulation results)

following is the lt spice asc file as modified by me:

Version 4 SHEET 1 880 680 WIRE 48 64 176 64 WIRE 240 112 240 320 WIRE 160 320 240 320 WIRE 240 320 240 384 WIRE 32 320 96 320 WIRE -48 320 -96 320 WIRE -96 320 -96 112 WIRE -16 112 -96 112 WIRE -96 112 -96 0 WIRE -96 -80 -96 -144 WIRE -96 -144 240 -144 WIRE 528 -144 528 -128 WIRE 240 -144 240 16 WIRE 240 -144 528 -144 FLAG 48 160 0 FLAG 240 464 0 FLAG 528 -48 0 SYMBOL res 224 368 R0 SYMATTR InstName R3 SYMATTR Value 50 SYMBOL cap 160 304 R90 WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 0 WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 0 SYMATTR InstName C SYMATTR Value .47µ SYMBOL pnp 176 112 M180 SYMATTR InstName Q2 SYMATTR Value 2N3906 SYMBOL res 48 304 R90 WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 0 WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0 SYMATTR InstName R2 SYMATTR Value 47k SYMBOL npn -16 64 R0 SYMATTR InstName Q1 SYMATTR Value 2N3904 SYMBOL res -112 -96 R0 SYMATTR InstName R1 SYMATTR Value 4e6 SYMBOL voltage 528 -144 R0 WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 0 WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 0 SYMATTR InstName V1 SYMATTR Value PULSE(0 9 0) TEXT -114 506 Left 0 !.tran 10s

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Andy
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Agreed. minor effect.

Did you also lose the diode that connected between the base of Q1 and ground? That has a big effect on frequency. Without that diode, R1 mostly affects the off time and R2 mostly affects the on time.

The exact value is dependent on the gain of the transistors and the amount of bias current from R1. The resistor has to provide enough positive feedback from the linear biased operating point to produce closed loop gain greater than 1.

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