Simple transistor

Hi All,

There is a PN diode, P connects 3.3V, N connects to ground. We knew that Vf is 0.7V.

How to explain that the measurement Vf ( P to N ) is 3.3V now but not

0.7V ...

Best regards, Boki.

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Boki
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Because the Vf was increased?

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Boki

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You either have the diode connected backwards or it\'s open?
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John Fields

Diodes are not perfect... If you push enough current through them, the voltage drop rises. Check out the I vs V curve of the diode. Take a look at:

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Greg Neill

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Yes, of course, but how is the voltage at very high current status..

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Boki

P connects 3.3V, N connects to ground. ?

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Boki

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How much current would you have to feed through the diode to get a
3.3 volt drop across it in the forward direction?
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John Fields

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Measure the current through the diode?
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John Fields

no, no condition here, just to know why....

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Boki

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I already told you why.

If you have a 3.3V supply connected to a diode and you read 3.3V
across the diode, at the diode,  then you either have the diode
connected backwards or it\'s open.
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John Fields

...and you've probably let the magic smoke out of the device...

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Greg Neill

Taking a typical 1N914B diode as an example, and assuming a simple square-law model, the data sheet gives a maximum forward voltage of 1V at 100mA which makes the model:

I = (100mA/1V^2)*Vf

So you'd need to push about 960mA across the junction. This is not something that you'd want to do on a continuous basis! But you could get away with it for short duration pulses (less than a mSec).

If "Boki" is measuring 3.1V DC across the diode, it's not a diode anymore.

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Greg Neill

If P is going directly to 3.3V and N is going directly to ground, with no resistor in series with it, the diode will be destroyed (an open circuit, as John said). Brian

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Brian

About 59-60mV per decade at room temp for ideal diodes, based on the differential of the simple EM equation.... which would produce a great deal of current, cranked up to 3.3V. Impossible amounts, if there wasn't another effect operating.

There is a resistive component that can vary a lot from diode type to type. For example, the 1N4148 exhibits about 0.6 ohms (see the Rs figure in a Spice model.) That will limit the current, but not so much as to survive 3.3V.

It's probably open or nearly so.

Jon

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Jonathan Kirwan

??????? are you sure?

I connect P to 3.3V, and then N nothing else but directly to ground...

I think it will get a large current and then broken ... ( but I think that open is not at beginning)

Best regards, Boki.

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Boki

"it's not a diode anymore."

hahha...

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Boki

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Yes
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John Fields

Except some of those. ;) But the OP wrote "PN diode" for whatever that may have meant.

Jon

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Jonathan Kirwan

LED diodes? :)

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