Need explantion of part of schematic

The schematic concerned is at the end of the microchip document on microchip serial programming

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The circuit generates VPP for the programming phase. D1 is the reference of 12.7V and Q2 forms a negative feedback with the opamp. This part I do understand. However, Q2 is strange, what does it do? It seems that it will be in a cut out state because base will be higher than emitter by

0.6V due to Q2 ?
Reply to
Lessie
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It's a bizzare way to draw the circuit. However, if you notice, the emitters are both connected to the same node, which is also the feedback. Thus, it's just a follower. Why they feel they need low impedance for Vpp is beyond me, though. Usually, Vpp draws almost no current, so the opamp by itself should work fine. Whatever.

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Regards,
 Bob Monsen
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Bob Monsen

Q1 is there to discharge the 12.7V line capacitance when Vpp_in goes low. In programming operation it is isolated as you have rightly understood. But when Vpp_out stays high, when the next instruction is send, it will be misinterpreted as a programming bit, so the line has to be forced low within one clock cycle and Q1 guarantees that.

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ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy
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Ban

Q1 & Q2 rapidly, cleanly and alternately switch Vpp between Vcc and Gnd. Q2 is an NPN transistor. When its base is (very) positive WRT its emitter, Vcc on the collector less the (insignificant) drop across the transistor, appears at the R13-emitter junction and 1mA flows through R13. Q1 now has 5 volts on its emitter and gnd at its collector. When U1A switches to low, the PNP transistor Q1 turns on and Q2 turns off which pulls Vpp to gnd.

Reply to
Lord Garth

Very well spotted, thanks.

Reply to
Lessie
[Mucho Snippage]

Actually this is a driver for the 16CXXXX EPROM based parts. If you check their programming specifications sheet (and I have recently on another matter) you will find that the max current draw for Vpp is up to 50mA.

Hence the need for a low impeadance path.

My Trivial High Voltage Programmer follows your suggestion as I have specifically targeted it for Flash parts. However it would need a much lower impeadance path to work with EPROM based parts.

BAJ

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Byron A Jeff

These transistors form a complimentary-symmetry emitter follower output stage for the op-amp. The purpose is to increase the current capability of the amplifier output. It can both source and sink current, the NPN pulling high and the PNP pulling low. This is a linear, analog amplifier circuit. The overall amplifier has unity gain and delivers the voltage of the zener references. These voltages are controlled, on and off by the controller. The circuit is drawn funny with the PNP on top making it harder to understand. Normally this circuit is drawn with the NPN on top and the PNP on the bottom and the two emitters connected together. Redraw it and it will become obvious. Bob

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Bob Eldred

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