| >"John Larkin" wrote in message | >news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com... | >| On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:38:11 +0100, "Androcles" | >| wrote: | >| | >| >
| >| >"John Larkin" wrote in | >message | >| >news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com... | >| >| On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:51:00 +0100, "Androcles" | >| >| wrote: | >| >| | >| >| >
| >| >| >"John Larkin" wrote in | >| >message | >| >| >news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com... | >| >| >| On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:55:21 +0100, "Androcles" | >| >| >| wrote: | >| >| >| | >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >"John Larkin" wrote in | >| >| >message | >| >| >| >news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com... | >| >| >| >| On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:30:28 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek" | >| >| >| >| wrote: | >| >| >| >| | >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "John Larkin" | >napisal | >| >w | >| >| >| >| >wiadomosci news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com... | >| >| >| >| >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT), RichD | >| >| >| >| >> wrote: | >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>>A network theorem states that every circuit has a | >| >| >| >| >>>dual; voltage sources become current sources, etc. | >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>But, what about mutual inductance? Why is there no | >| >| >| >| >>>mutual capacitance? By symmetry, shouldn't a 'mutual | >| >| >| >| >>>capacitor' exist, linking electric flux? | >| >| >| >| >>
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| >| >| >| >| >> There is dispute about the capacitance between the earth and | >the | >| >| >moon. | >| >| >| >| >> Some people claim about 3 uF, some claim about 160 uF. I think | >| >the | >| >| >| >| >> first is the "mutual" or 3-terminal capacitance, and the | >second | >| >is | >| >| >the | >| >| >| >| >> 2-terminal capacitance. | >| >| >| >| >>
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| >| >| >| >| >> 3 uF | >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> earth--------||---------moon | >| >| >| >| >> | | | >| >| >| >| >> | | | >| >| >| >| >> ___ ___ | >| >| >| >| >> ___ 710 uF ___ 193 uF | >| >| >| >| >> | | | >| >| >| >| >> | | | >| >| >| >| >> | | | >| >| >| >| >> +----------------------+----- universe | >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> John | >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >The 710uF is calculated for the hydraulic analogy. For this | >value | >| >the | >| >| >| >| >Earth's potential would be 10^9V. In reality no such voltage. | >| >| >| >| | >| >| >| >| Explain please. | >| >| >| >| | >| >| >| >| | >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >In space are ions and electrons. Each body is negatively | >charged. | >| >It | >| >| >is | >| >| >| >the | >| >| >| >| >plasma physics. | >| >| >| >| | >| >| >| >| It's claimed in many places that earth is electrically neutral. I | >| >| >| >| don't entirely buy that; I'd like to see it measured. | >| >| >| >| | >| >| >| >| But there's no fundamental reason why a sphere this big, well | >| >| >| >| insulated in vacuum, couldn't be charged to a gigavolt. | >| >| >| >| | >| >| >| >| John | >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >Is that a positive or a negative gigavolt? | >| >| >| >"Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move the | >| >| >earth." -- | >| >| >| >Archimedes. | >| >| >| >Voltage, like motion, is relative. | >| >| >| | >| >| >| Assume the universe is neutral, which it probably is. | >| >| >
| >| >| >No, I don't make assumptions that I can't support. | >| >| | >| >| You don't have to support assumptions, you just assume them. | >| >| | >| >Chocolate eggs are probably laid by the Easter Bunny. | >| >Don't argue, just assume it. | >| >
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| >| >| >| A satellite in | >| >| >| elliptical orbit around Earth, or one doing a flyby, could measure | >| >| >| field gradients and measure Earth's potential against the universe. | >| >| >| | >| >| >Bizarre, you'll be claiming it can weigh itself when it's weightless | >| >next. | >| >| >What's the potential of the universe? | >| >| >
| >| >| | >| >| Define it to be zero. It would still be interesting to measure any | >| >| field gradient around Earth and anything else a satellite can sweep | >| >| past. We do routinely measure magnetic fields. | >| >| | >| >There already is a non-zero gravitational field from Earth, Moon | >| >and Sun, and that is the weakest force acting on the satellite. | >| >
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| >| >| I guess | >| >
| >| >I'm not interested in your bizarre guesses; these are science | >| >newsgroups, not sci-fi newsgroups. | >| | >| Oh, I get it, science should never consider things that aren't already | >| established science. | >
| >Science is the observation, investigation and explanation of | >natural phenomena, in that order. And no, you don't "get it". | >Nor does anyone that guesses or makes unfounded assumptions. | >Science should never consider things that are fiction. | >
| | What I suggested is that the electric field gradients around the earth | would be interesting. What's wrong with being interested in stuff like | this? Measuring this would certainly not be science fiction. |
What you suggested was "there's no fundamental reason why a sphere [the Earth] this big, well insulated in vacuum, couldn't be charged to a gigavolt." Measuring this would certainly be sci-fi, because if I took a CRT TV to the Moon, took away the glass and left only a light skeleton to support the shadowmask, phosphors, anode, cathode, grid, heater, and deflection coils it would still function.
| When I was a kid, I used to measure the voltage on open-wire antennas, | with a super high impedance voltmeter, and watch as clouds passed | over, and lightning changed the charges. It was cool. I did VLF | atmospheric whistler stuff, too. Some very strange electric stuff goes | on at planetary scales. | | People have recently, accidentally, discovered antimatter beams and | gamma ray bursts shooting into space from thunderstorms. Suggesting | that would have got you laughed at not so long ago.
Yes, and it has me laughing now. Are you sure you don't mean anti-photon gigavolt anti-torpedoes?
| Undiscovered things remain.
Certainly, but that's no excuse for inventing them as you are guessing.
| | >| | >| Be a good little boy and | >| >write a letter to Santa, he hasn't heard from you in six months | >| >and he gets lonely. Tell him you want your very own satellite | >| >to measure gravitational, electrostatic and magnetic fields and | >| >I'll assume you'll find one under the Xmas tree come December, | >| >I guess. | >| >
| >| | >| Is your name really Androcles? Are you really the headmaster at | >| Hogwarts? | >| | >A name is what one is known by. Ten years ago I used a different | >pseudonym and the response was "It's Androcles!". So yes, I really | >am Androcles. Did you really choose "John Larkin" for a name or | >did someone else arbitrarily choose it for you and you just went along | >with it? | | It's my legal name. Works fine.
That isn't what I asked you. Did you really choose "John Larkin" for a name? Androcles is my real name. It works fine too, I answer to it and I chose it. If my name was John Larkin I wouldn't want that as a name and wouldn't reply, so it wouldn't be a real name. Are you legally related to a lawyer-in-law?
| So, what's the Hogwarts thing?
It's not Hogwarts, it's Hogwarts.physics. I'm the headmaster because own it and I say I am. I'm also the CEO, the President and the Managing Director. I can play many roles and have as many names as I want, I'm a free man. Are you a free person or are you bound by convention?