Lead Safety

Sep 06, 2007 42 Replies

Introducing laws requiring recycling and getting the laws to be obeyed are two different things. In the meantime, non-trivial amounts of WEEE (Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment, aka electroscrap) are going to continue to be dumped in landfill or incinerated.

Heavy metal pollution is a very real problem which has been known about for some time. The restrictions on its use in electronics are recent, but restrictions on lead generally (e.g. paint, petrol) are hardly new.

Although the toxicity of lead (and other heavy metals) has been known about for some time, the risks of continuous exposure to relatively low levels (i.e. bioaccumulation) wasn't particularly well understood until quite recently.

Long-term, low-level exposure isn't something which can be easily simulated in laboratory tests. Also, while risks to specific sections of the population may be noticed due to increased incidence relative to the general population, that won't work for risks to the general population.

You are assuming that: a) the industry won't find any solution to the problem, and b) RoHS won't be modified in the event of a) occurring.

FWIW, I don't particularly blame the politicians for not simply accepting the industry's protestations at face value. Industry estimates of the costs and problems associated with mandatory changes frequently turn out to be overblown.

On Sep 7, 3:46 am, "Tom Biasi" wrote: > > Thank you so much for answering my questions. >

What's this 'fumes' stuff? It has such a negative feel to it. Think 'fragrance' or 'aroma'. Been sniffing solder fragrance for 45+ years and I'll tell yah, it's better than some of the 'perfumes' some of the women in the office wear.

Besides which, I don't believe you'll find much - if any - lead in the smoke. It's just burned rosin flux. After all, the solder isn't being vaporized, just melted. Not likely any worse than the Marlboros I used to smoke. Still hooked on the solder though. Truly delightful with a Metcal iron.

GG

I've held it in my teeth,and nervously/perplexedly chewed on it a few times while trying to debug a circuit or something....(oops!) Sometimes when I've been soldering for a while (most of the day),I'll get a weird headache,I assume from the fumes..

I seem just fine.. *twitch* :-p

-Which reminds me... I was going to wire a small 12V fan into the power switch on my soldering station... so if Iron=On,Fan=On too. That way I can't forget to turn on the fan,ever.

A toxicologist who used to work in the same lab I did told me that he had done a research project on solder fumes, and he agreed that lead in the fumes was not the issue... but that there was something else nasty in there that *was* a problem. I just don't recall now what it was... guess I've inhaled too many fumes!

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Yes indeed! Especially that part about how we've got the "foul" of the air, and cattle all over the earth, and other creepy things...

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Oh, I'm sure you could find thousands of compounds in rosin smoke, just like any other smoke. I used to really like the aroma of my Dad's & Mom's cigarettes. And who doesn't love the aroma of burning leaves in the fall, a nice cozy campfire, or roasting weenies/grilling meat?

The puritans hate all of these things because they bring plesaure.

Thanks, Rich

Of course you did since, when you were young, your Dad and Mom were your idols and could do no wrong and what gave them pleasure rubbed off on you. Now, since you\'ve grown up and have access to, and the intelligence to understand scientific literature, you should know better.

But is the rosin 'aroma' worse than cigarette smoke ? I suspect not mainly because of the quantity of rosin smoke and while you inhale some, you don't intentionally draw it in like cigarettes. I find diesel exhaust much more annoying than soldering.

So I'm in Torrance Electronics today to get a new TV antenna, tripod and mast for the mother-in-law. The tripod (galvanized steel) box has a RoHS sticker. I joke to the kid selling the stuff and he told me he had a lady call to find out if plastic cable ties were RoHS compliant. It's getting out of hand.....

GG

Nasty burnt hydrocarbons most likely.

I have never been remotely able to understand the attraction of cigarette smoke, especially since it's normally quite acrid. I have experienced (thankfully rarely) situations in bars where there was so much cigarette smoke that it made my eyes turn red and water/burn. What exactly IS the attraction with that ? Thankfully the habit's been banned in public here in the UK now so I'll never have to experience the like of that again. Of course had smokers cared even a jot for their non-smoker friends they wouldn't have made things so intolerable for us. They brought the ban on themselves by being so self-centred.

Smoke is not a pleasure.

Graham

Probably not.

The fluxes seem to have changed over the years in the solders I've used. I came across an old piece of what I think is genuinely rosin cored solder recently and I thought the aroma was rather pleasant.

Grham

Actually, modern diesel exhausts in European cars are barely noticeable since they've improved so much but I know what you mean wrt older examples. It's simply a case of what offends the nose most !

Which country is this ? I'm mildly astonised that an ordinary member of the public knows or cares that much about RoHS.

Graham

Yes, I have access to the scientific literature, and I know that antismokerism is based on lies, just like any other religious cult.

I was a paralegal assistant in TWO tobacco litigations, and I saw the documents that got buried.

But the antis won because real science has big words, and the juries couldn't grasp the concepts.

Don't get me wrong - if you don't want to smoke, don't smoke, but it's wrong to make laws to force me to behave according to your personal tastes.

Thanks, Rich

I happen to like the aroma.

What disorder is it that impels you to stay in an environment that you find "quite acrid" and "made [your] eyes turn red and water/burn"?

Do they also render you incapable of walking to the door, and going outside to enjoy the fresh aroma of car exhaust?

Or not going into the toxic joint in the first place? Are you just incapable of making your own decisions as to which joints you want to patronize?

No, it's a cult, plain and simple. You just want everybody in the world to behave in accordance with your own personal shortcomings.

Thanks, Rich

Not to you, no.

So don't smoke, idiot.

And when you open the door to a joint and smell smoke that you don't like, then don't go in! Vote with your dollars!

But making laws enforcing religious beliefs is simply evil.

Thanks, Rich

What's fun is lighting up a cigarette at the bus stop, where there's a string of about 5 commuter buses at any given time, belching black clouds of deisel smoke, and some antismokerist will bitch about my cigarette while enveloped in the cloud of dirty, black, greasy, noxious deisel smoke.

Hell, in a situation like that, I smoke a cigarette in self-defense!

Cheers! Rich

On of the many stupid things about RoHS is the inconsistency - a bolt or rivet that is perfectly fine to put in your garden fence suddenly becomes toxic when it is used in a piece of electrical equipment, because now it falls under RoHS.

The one thing I respect about the new rules that Norway is proposing is that they apply to all consumer products not just electronics. At least then their electronic engineers should not have to watch people installing huge lead garden sculptures.

The other thing I like about their legislation is that it would be great fun if it were enacted, because they want to ban arsenic and therefore GaAs. I am upset that I think some trade association has complained about this. It would be much more fun if we all just shut up for a while until they have passed the law. Then the next day, refuse to deliver any mobile phones, satellite dishes, CD/DVD players, fibre optic telecomms hardware, laptops with WLAN, etc. Once the law has been passed, just stop the trucks at the border, sorry no it's against the law, this Christmas no Xbox for you, don't care how much you want it, the law is the law. That would teach certain politicians a thing or two about making laws about things they don't understand.

Chris

On Sep 9, 1:14 am, Eeyore wrote: > snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote: > > So I'm in Torrance Electronics today to get a new TV antenna, tripod > > and mast for the mother-in-law. The tripod (galvanized steel) box has > > a RoHS sticker. I joke to the kid selling the stuff and he told me he > > had a lady call to find out if plastic cable ties were RoHS compliant. > > It's getting out of hand..... >

I know we Yanks are all uneducated but it was USA, specifically Torrance California (Los Angeles suburb).

GG

We KNOW about the idiotic european RoHS policy, we just don't give a damn. Its doing more damage, than good.

Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I\'ve got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida

yes.

yes.

the quantities involved are miniscule and unlikely to be a health issue ever.

Bye. Jasen

any time you heat an organic substance up that hot there's going to be nasties produced - dioxin and the like...

Bye. Jasen

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