Has anyone seen one of these actually work ? There are many people who say they work but no one has ever seen a working model without it being attached to some remote power source. Is it anything other than the scam it appears to be ?
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Possible clue...?
No.
"Send us money for plans -- we promise we won't be around when things don't work out and you come after us".
Oh gosh -- that's just got to be on the up-and-up.
-- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com
How can people possibly see things like this:
...then imagine some guy in a garage with a couple of magnets knows more than the people who built that?
Beats me.
My BS meter pinned out when I looked into this. If it's not a scam, I'll just levitate on over and admit it in person.
The blurb I read (hojomotorreviewz.com) claimed:
"The Hojo motor system meets all the compliance requirement(US patent office) and it is a bullet prove system that work!"
This not only makes no sense (the US Patent Office doesn't enforce compliance of systems), but it is written in poor English. The author calls himself Eric Carlson, which sounds pretty "American" - but maybe English isn't his first language.
"It?s a quiet perpetual motion generator with zero pollution and definitely help to reduce carbon footprint and benefit the environment!"
So it's not a perpetual motion *machine*, it's a perpetual motion
*generator*. Last I heard, the USPO had a policy of not accepting any plans for perpetual motion machines. No clue whether this policy applies to generators as well.When I was a kid I had a catalog for magic tricks. They had one where you put a dollar in a drawer and close it. Open it up, and you'd get $5 out. I though all I'd ever need was a magic drawer like that, put in a dollar when I needed money, get five bucks out. Of course, it was a trick.
I think this is the same idea. Put in one joule, get two (or ten) back. Sounds great, but you (should) know there's always a trick behind it. Magic isn't real. Science isn't magic.
-- Don't put off for tomorrow what you can do today because if you enjoy it today, you can do it again tomorrow.
LOL.
The thing in their video was anything but quiet...
Wow, you're not kidding. Their neighbors are going to complain...
What really bothers me about this free-energy, scientists-don't-know-what- they're-talking-about stuff, is that when I point out the obvious flaws in the "theories" I am seen as just another part of the hidebound scientific establishment, too rigid to see the beauty of the new ideas, blah-blah-blah. Kind of makes me wonder why I ever bothered learning any of this stuff. I think I'm beginning to understand why they say ignorance is bliss. Some of these guys must be absolutely ecstatic.
I just learned of the Dunning-Kruger effect
-- I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals. -- Thoreau
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I wonder if 'sparky' has listened to anything said in this thread...
One more comedy gem I found when I googled for "hojo motor":
from their website:
That's obviously a lie, the USPTO is not in the business of verifying engineering.
If they're goin to start out by lying there's no point investigating any further. someone may wish to draw USPTO's attention to this abuse of their name.
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That's not so much true, in this case. There are special rules for "perpetual motion" patents.
When repealing known laws of the universe, in particular thermodynamics, "proof" is required.
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Here are some links that refer to the details and actual patents. Even = the=20 first, "Pure Energy Systems", indicates that the device was to be=20 demonstrated to the USPTO (by a YouTuber) but later found to be a hoax.
The actual patent:
Part of the patent says that the device requires superconducting = materials,=20 and since this requires the use of refrigeration equipment it is = doubtful=20 that any "over unity" phenomenon will be produced if this is taken into=20 account. But the patent seems to further assert that powerful magnets=20 exhibit a sort of "room temperature superconductivity" in the sense that = the=20 magnetic field is caused by electron flow which continues perpetually, = and=20 the resultant magnetic field can be made to do work. I would only accept =
that perhaps energy could be derived from a permanent magnet IFF the = magnet=20 would weaken as a result, thus conserving energy and mass. How much = energy=20 difference between a strong magnet and one that has been demagnetized is = the=20 critical factor that would determine if this phenomenon has any = practical=20 application.
I also found one youtube video where someone demonstrated the effect = using a=20 low friction rotary table having magnets arranged about the periphery, = and=20 he showed how he could get it to spin by holding another magnet nearby = and=20 just flipping the N-S poles at appropriate points in the rotation. But = it=20 would never work if he did not add that energy to the system, and there = is=20 no way the spinning disk could be connected to any means of doing so=20 automagically without extracting energy and eventually stopping.
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None of the patents actually make any claim about producing energy out of nothing. The oldest one from 1978 comes the closest. Possibly, the USPTO had a more relaxed attitude at that time, more than thirty years ago.
It makes vague, carefully stated allusions to perpetual motion (propulsion forces generated by permanent magnets). It's no explicitly stated that the invention is a perpetual motion machine, and no claim is made that energy can be extracted from the process which occurs in the apparatus. I.e. it is never actually stated that you can set this machine in motion, and it will keep moving forever.
The website lies by connecting irrelevant patents to the claims with respect to the product being advertized: patents for something other than energy harvesting are being falsely connected to a product advertized as harvesting energy.
This is intended to make customers out of ignorant simpletons who can't make sense out of a (pseudo-) scientific document.
Who cares; more "power" the guy, ahem.
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You can be sure that the energy needed to re-magnetize the magnets will be more than you got out of them inside the machine.
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The only 'effect' he's demonstrating is a type of magnetic motor where the energy input is via an external rotating magnet.
A/C electric motors work on exactly this principle. Just replace the magnet he's holding in his hand with an electromagnet. The magnetic polarity will flip north-south at mains frequency and spin the disk (assuming you space the magnets on the disk correctly).
I was specifically responding to Jasen's assertion that "the USPTO is not in the business of verifying engineering". In the case of perpetual motion, or refutations to the accepted laws of nature, it actually is. The fact that they got a patent on something is besides the point.
"perpetual
That is all besides the point of the discussion of the HOJO motor, if the patents being cited (no matter how much or how little merit they carry) are not actually the basis for the product being peddled.
The USPTO is an intellectually banrkupt institution which ruins its credibility by granting patents on obvious software processes, like using the XOR operation to draw a shape on a raster display with inverted colors relative to the background and then XOR again to remove it.
Rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen holds a US patent on some stupid hinged wooden board that you can attach to the back of an electric guitar to prop it against your leg to make the fingerboard horizontal, for two-handed fretting, and fold it down for normal play. Yep, that's a patent! #4656917
That there is a patent on something carries no assurance that it has any merit. Granting means nothing, but on the other hand rejecting means something. If an application is rejected it means that it is so ridiculous that complete morons were able to see through it.
"perpetual
It might be, but that was what I was disagreeing with.
Speakign of irrelevant to the discussion!
Your point?
Subjective.
More likely that there was no new art taught.
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