You can't do the hysteric core model based on a model first proposed in by John Chan ? It's supported in Ltspice. The problem is that mechanical data has to be supplied.
I've been playing with that the last couple of days working with a regenerative oscillator, only because I can't figure out how to set the turn ratio on the coupled inductors which kinds of screws up my tank circuit for a real world example.
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John Larkin
Just set the inductances. L goes up as turns squared.
Use the "K" thing to set the coupling/leakage inductance.
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Phil Hobbs
You get the SiGe:C's effectively infinite Early voltage, lower C_dg, and very low C_out. That means you can run higher gain.
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Most are gone. NXP has some low noise dg fets. They are probably easier to use at UHF/ VHF than a hot 10+GHz XXXfet.
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Robert Macy
Apologies to OP, seemed to have hijacked your thread, but please bear with us here...
You missed the syntax of K1 and the ease of plotting BH Curve.
Although I laud LTspice for using MKS units it can get confusing, going back and forth...
Hc = 1.251 Oe = 99.55 A/m Bs = 1.202e3 G = .1202 T Br = 85.14 G = .008514 T Area = 3.27156 = 327.156e-6 sq m Path = 12.90399 = .129039 m Gap = 0 = 0 ??
B from Gauss to Tesla divide by 1e4 H from Oersted to Amp/m multiply by 79.57747
then in LTspice you must plot the following 'formulas' to get the BH Curve: H=NI/pathlength = 1550*I/1A Bup = (.1202*(1550*I(L1)+99.55)/(abs(1550*I(L1)+99.55)+99.55*13.12) +
1.94779e-3*I(L1))/1A Bdn = (.1202*(1550*I(L1)-99.55)/(abs(1550*I(L1)-99.55)+99.55*13.12) +
1.94779e-3*I(L1))/1A, ,or both, but doesn't work so well Bmag = (.1202*(1550*I(L1)+99.55)/(abs(1550*I(L1)+99.55)+99.55*13.12) +
1.94779e-3*I(L1) + .1202*(1550*I(L1)-99.55)/ (abs(1550*I(L1)-99.55)+99.55*13.12) + 1.94779e-3*I(L1))/2A
Can't remember if those are ceneric constants, or constants just for THIS model. I either get the 'going up' side or the 'going down side' but nothing like I used to get with PSpice DOS version.
By the way, you'll find that LTspice's curve fit for the Chan model is excellent! PSpice's Jiles-Atherton model used to make hour glass shaped hysteresis curves that were incredibly difficult to make square. But, LTspice does fairly well, by just supplying two terms Bsat and the Br [where it hits the axis] and you get a decent looking curve.
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Jim, THAT's uncharacteristically vague.See the reply to Jamie for the way to make LTspice do similar plot to what PSpice DOS version used to do. I say 'similar' because I have not been able to get the ends of the curve to touch each other, get close, but no cigars..
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FOUND IT! this runs on LTspice
BHCURVE - GENERATES A BH CURVE FOR K528T500_3C8 CORE
Plot results as V(12)/1V or V(22)/1V or V(32)/1V vs V(20)/1V .TRAN 1 6 0 10uS .OPTIONS ITL5=0
assuming flux is contained in the core, H = N1*I(L1)/Lm1 B_H 20 0 V={N1*I(L1)/Lm1/1A} .PROBE .END
then, plot V(12) and V(22) vs V(20) and you get the hysteresis curve, but the ends don't connect.
enjoy
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found it! see the reply to myself to Jamie.
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Jim Thompson
Thanks, Helmut!
Suppose I make parts/symbols as in...
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where "MODEL" is subcircuit name.
Does that work in LTspice, and can I change "MODEL" in the schematic? ...Jim Thompson
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Whoever helps Jim learn to use LT Spice should charge him for it. His only goal is, he admits, to make money.
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Martin Riddle
"John Larkin" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...
You can define the subckt for the Symbol after you place it. Just right Click on the symbol and Change the 'SpiceModel' Line to your subckt name. Not the same as editing the Attributes for the model file in the Symbol editor.
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