what is this pattern in coprimes of primorials 30 and 210?

Mar 28, 2016 18 Replies

Hi,



For the coprimes of 30:



1,7,11,13,17,19,23,29 I organized them into two columns like this, where the sum of each row is 30:


1 29



7 23
11 19
13 17

Then took the product of each row:


29
161
209
221

Then I took the difference of these:


161-29=132
209-161=48
221-209=12

And noticed that 132,48 and 12 all have greatest common divisor 12.



I also did the same for the coprimes of 210:



1,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,103,107,109,113,
121,127,131,137,139,143,149,151,157,163,167,169,173,179,181,187,191,193,197,199,209,

I organized them into two columns like this, where the sum of each row is 210:


1 209
11 199
13 197
17 193
19 191
23 187
29 181
31 179
37 173
41 169
43 167
47 163
53 157
59 151
61 149
67 143
71 139
73 137
79 131
83 127
89 121
97 113
101 109
103 107


Then took the product of each row:


209
2189
2561
3281
3629
4301
5249
5549
6401
6929
7181
7661
8321
8909
9089
9581
9869
10001
10349
10541
10769
10961
11009
11021

Then I took the difference of these:



ie: 2189-209=1980


1980
372
720
348
672
948
300
852
528
252
480
660
588
180
492
288
132
348
192
228
192
48
12

And noticed that all these also have greatest common divisor of 12, just like for primorial 30.



So I am guessing that all primorials have the same pattern but not sure.



The question I have is where does this greatest common divisor of 12 come from?



Here is a picture of the spreadsheet I used:



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cheers, Jamie


Take all this number theory to a serious math group, where it will get the reception that it deserves.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics

There are lots of smart math people here and on sci.math, probably most not as interested in prime numbers as I currently am, but to each their own hehe

Keep your silly ideas to yourself. Your insights into prime numbers really aren't worth publishing, and if you told smart math people about them they'd make their excuses and leave.

It's not as actively dangerous as recommending the drinking of unpasteurised milk, but it's at least as fatuous.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

and if you told smart math people about them they'd make their excuses and leave.

least as fatuous.

That's great info Bill, if you can focus a bit more beyond insults and publishing papers, I'd appreciate if you can take a look to try to figure out the question I posted (not at all related to publishing a paper, as I am just learning about prime numbers currently)

I think perhaps you have not enough mental capacity to figure it out just like your lack of logic in your other arguments, but give it a shot, math is fun.

cheers, Jamie

For the people in sci.math yes. But not for the average person in sci.electronics.design. When they are interested, they can always subscribe sci.math. So please stop posting in sci.electronics.design.

and if you told smart math people about them they'd make their excuses and leave.

as fatuous.

Here is the answer Bill by the way (from sci.math):

Let's call the primorial p and the "coprimes" m and n. Then the

products become m (p - m) and n (p - n) and the difference of the two

can be rewritten as d = (p - m - n) (m - n).

Since all "coprimes" are odd, their difference, their sum, and

p - m - n are all even, so d is a multiple of 4.

Each "coprime" is of the type 3 k + 1 or 3 k + 2. If m and n are of

the same type then m - n is divisible by 3. If they are of different

types then m + n and p - m - n are divisible by 3.

So in both cases d is a multiple of 3, which in combiation with the

divisibility by 4 means that d is a multiple of 12.

As you can see, the proof takes just some simple algebra and facts

that have been mentioned here before.

If you define

f(n) ? Prog v ? SELECT(GCD(k, n) = 1, k, 1, n) l ? DIM(v)

u ? VECTOR(w?(i + 1) - w?i, i, 1, l/2 - 1) RETURN GCD(u)

then f(#p) = 12 for almost p = 5, 7, 11, 13 and 17, where #p is the primorial of p, i.e.

#p = Product(k, k prime 1 f(6*m) = 12, m > 1, if m odd (it include primorials) = 24, if m even ....

Particularly, if n = 6*m with m odd, the factors are

(3m-k)(3m+k) = 9m^2 - k^2

with k even, k =/= 0 (mod 3). It is, k = 2 or 4 (mod 6)

Then, two consecutive factors are

9m^2 - (6s + 2)^2, 9m^2 - (6s + 4)^2

and its difference is

(6s + 4)^2 - (6s + 2)^2 =

24s + 12 = 12(2s + 1)

ever multiple of 12.

As the top two products are

9m^2 - 4, 9m^2 - 16

its difference is 12, and then all the differences are multiples of 12.

Perhaps it must be completed in some aspect, but that is the idea

Saludos,

snipped-for-privacy@mundo-r.com

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If you want to publish your elementary math homework, find someplace where it fits. Prime number theory is interesting in its own right, but not here, and you really aren't addressing any of the interesting bits of it.

What you think reflects your own capacity to think - which isn't impressive. Don't waste our time telling us what you think - you've wasted a lot of bandwidth here demonstrating that you can't think to any useful purpose on a wide variety of subjects.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

His toilet training isn't up to much either.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

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And this is in some way useful?

The last time I got involved in prime numbers was when Donald Davies wanted to put public key encryption into the Telex system (which was a communicat ing word processor scheme designed to replace Telex/TWX, which actually ran in Sweden and Germany in the 1980's before it got buried by e-mail).

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Co-primes didn't feature.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

you told smart math people about them

in its own right, but not here, and you really aren't addressing any of the interesting bits of it.

think to any useful purpose on a wide variety of subjects.

I saw your message, and for a moment I thought you had given a proof of the question I asked, which three other people chose to prove in three different ways. But of course Bill as typical you only wrote more nonsense and insults.

cheers, Jamie

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 06:07:44 -0700, Jamie M Gave us:

WRONG GROUP, STUPID PUTZ!

You are a Prime Retard. You rank right up there with Donald Trump.

into the Telex system (which was a communicating word processor scheme designed to replace Telex/TWX, which actually ran in Sweden and Germany in the 1980's before it got buried by e-mail).

They aren't actually called coprimes Bill, they are called totients or relatively prime, or reduced residue numbers.

That is why he put them in quotes because unlike you he can see they aren't coprimes. Don't worry I just figured it out too.

No one said it is useful but does that matter so much? Good to see you asking a question for once though.

cheers, Jamie

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 06:11:59 -0700, Jamie M Gave us:

You have no place, nor the qualifications to assess others' actions here in Usenet, nor anywhere else. Or is it the other Jamie I am thinking of or is that another one of *your* sock puppets?

Still... WRONG GROUP, ASSHOLE!

If you knew anything about electronics, you would be more careful about blowing a fuse.

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Whatever.

After being told.

I quite frequently ask questions, but your reading comprehension is letting you down, as usual.

Reader attention is a resource. If you use it up to no purpose, people will stop reading your stuff. You are a slightly special case, in that your ign orance and fatuous self-confidence is frequently unintentionally comic, and I sometimes scan your stuff for the unintended jokes, and other peoples co mic put-downs of your pretensions, but only if I'm pretty bored.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

You are a slightly special case, in that your ignorance and fatuous self-confidence is frequently unintentionally comic, and I sometimes scan your stuff for the unintended jokes, and other peoples comic put-downs of your pretensions, but only if I'm pretty bored.

That's great Bill, whatever floats your boat right!

cheers, Jamie

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