Varactor-tuned oscillator

Mar 18, 2006 81 Replies

"Phil Allison" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@individual.net...

So you seem to think. If you'd had any intellectual credibility left, that assertion would have blown away any remaining shreds.

The BBY40 has roughly the same capacitance as the OP's NTE613 at about 4V of reverse bias, but it seems to have a C2/C30 range of closer to 7:1 where the NTE613 only offers 2.9:1 (typical).

For the 0V to 26V tuning voltage swing used by the OP the BBY40 would offer about 45pF of capacitance change. Let us assume that the NTE613 does as well. We knw that the OP can tune over a frequency range of 88 to 96MHz.

This imples a 50nH inductance and a stray capacitance of 50pF. If adding another 4V of reverse bias across the diode reduce the diode capacitance from 5pf to 4pF, the LC product would change by 2% and the output frequency by 1%, jacking up the top of the range to 97MHz, which is 1MHz, not several. The OP wants to get to 108MHz, so getting even several MHz in this way would be wasting time and effort.

The actual capacitance swing available from the NTE613 is probably a bit smaller, so the real inductance and stray capacitance wil be appreciably smaller, not that it makes much difference to the arguement.

As everybody has pointed out, the OP needs to concentrate on reducing that "50pF" of stray capacitance - probably by replacing the inductor in use with a self-supporting coil wound with a gap between each turn equal to the wire diameter - five turns of 22 swg (0.7mm OD) wire on a 0.63mm OD (0.25") former is traditional.

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Note the 4 to 44pF tuning capacitor and the nominal tuning capacitance of

12.5pF for 108MHz.

I'm still planning to - and have had the bits for some thirty years now. Sadly, I started earning enough money to be able buy decent commercial FM tuners at about the same time that I acquired a wife and house, which put paid to investing spare time in things that I could buy.

I do seemed to have learned more in the proces of not building an FM tuner than you've learned in the process of completing one - which isn't really surprising, granting the learning capacity you've exhibited on this user-group.

Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Depends on how you look at it. On the high end, dV/dC is a lot higher than it is on the low end.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:01:49 +0100, "Bill Sloman" Gave us:

Damn! Looks like you put that retarded fucktard in his place, eh!

None shall pass!

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Sure, but it would be interesting to have a varactor whose c-v graph curves ever upwards. Too bad they're all the opposite.

John

"John Fields" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Then there is dV/dF, how does that look like over the entire range, assuming no stray capacitance...

Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)

Some of the hyperabrupt varactors have doping profiles that give nicely linear dF/dV over a goodly range.

John

"John Larkin" a écrit dans le message de news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Then reverse your varactor so as to run current through it. More current, more capacitance :-)

Thanks, Fred.

I don't think so, since if you forward bias it it'll turn into a resistor.

--- Good thing they are, though, or the universe as we know it would end.

To get around it, and get the slope to go in the direction you want, just put an inverting opamp in front of it.

+--[R]--+ | | Vc>---[R]--+--|-\ | | >-+--[R]--+ VREF>---------|+/ | [VARACTOR] | GND

-- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer

It can\'t. The highest capacitance occurs when the diode\'s depletion region is the thinnest, which is at the low voltage end of the scale and, as reverse voltage across the diode is increased, the thickness of the depletion region will increase, increasing the "distance" between the capacitor plates, lowering the capacitor\'s capacitance. The relationship between capacitance change VS voltage change is nearly logarithmic through most of the varactor\'s range and flattens out near the diode\'s high-voltage limit, indicating that the greatest capacitance change per unit voltage will occur at the high capacitance - low voltage end. _Any_ diode\'s capacitance will decrease as the reverse voltage across it is increased, so it would be a simple matter to hook up a 1N400X to a power supply and actually measure delta C VS delta V and put the matter to rest.

"John Fields" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

I think John wants to apply 8kV for 20 picoseconds, turning it into a 4700uF capacitor for a brief moment, or something like that.

Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)

You really think he will notice?

Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

With the 8kV supply looking like a quarter and the pulse being applied to the varactor glued to it as they both free-fall through the field of a superconducting magnet? ;) Sounds kind of like that movie with Jodie Foster in it: "Contact".

"John Fields"

** Look - another reptile pokes its ugly head out ......

........ Phil

"John Fields" "Phil Allison"

** It does - you ass.

See the BBY40 diode curve.

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The OP can *easily* diminish the C of his varactor diode by another 1 pF with additional bias voltage.

If he can ALSO diminish the stray parallel C to around 15 pF, then the minimum possible C drops from 20 to 19 pF.

This equates to a frequency increase of 2.5 % or 2.7 MHz at the top of the FM band !!!

Makes it possible to tune onto another 13 FM station spots.

If you knew ANYTHING about "varicap" FM tuners, then you might figure out why using the low capacitance end of the diode's range is very desirable.

....... Phil

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:42:39 -0600, John Fields Gave us:

Did you ever get around to seeing "What The Bleep Do We Know", John?

You won't be disappointed.

It must be a *very* short film.

I doubt it.

Keith

"Phil Allison" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@individual.net...

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30 years ago, when I was ~18, I've repaired TV's for a while. Philips used a 33V zener, TAA550. The channel selector was made of simple switches with multiturn pots behind it. They went all the way up to 33V to get rid of the last possible pf of the varicap.
Thanks, Frank. (remove \'q\' and \'.invalid\' when replying by email)

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