Hello,
As anyone of you used the service of PCBCart at
Prices are damned good but don't know about quality and service.
Hello,
As anyone of you used the service of PCBCart at
Prices are damned good but don't know about quality and service.
-- Christian - Grenoble
From Europe, also have a look at
Rene
-- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com & commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
Don't know for pcbcart, but from eurocircuit :
"Sorry but the browser you're using is not supported. Try again using IE...blah..."
Sorry Eurocircuits, but a potential customer lost.
-- Thanks, Fred.
The website itself sucks big time. I hope they do Au plating for PCI edge connectors.
-- Siol ------------------------------------------------
"Fred Bartoli" schreef in bericht news:44148a80$0$26740$ snipped-for-privacy@news.free.fr...
Sorry for you too Fred, a potential large amount of profit lost. Install a windows PC just for acces to eurocircuits, the PC will pay for itself in no-time.
I've been using them for 6 years now. Great for 2/4 layer boards. Cheap. Easy to repeat an order. Large repeat orders (>=250) are *dirt* cheap. Excellent quality. Free shape routing, no restrictions on tools, holes or other silly costs.
Highly recommended.
-- Thanks, Frank. (remove \'q\' and \'.invalid\' when replying by email)
?
Part of the functionality is available for firefox. But yes, full support is wished.
Rene
*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
I like the sound of that. Have you ever ordered Au plating?
I've dropped them an e-mail, but in these days of spam filters I may have to resort to fax/tel, we'll see tomorrow.
-- Siol ------------------------------------------------
I like the sound of that. Have you ever ordered Au plating?
I've dropped them an e-mail, but in these days of spam filters I may have to resort to fax/tel, we'll see tomorrow.
-- Siol ------------------------------------------------
Opera 8.52 and Firefox 1.5.0.1 work fine on Win98SE.
Mike
These are their facilities, not bad: http://62.58.101.196/construct/index.htm
-- Siol ------------------------------------------------
It's sometimes hard to compare, but it looked competitive to
If you find them competitive, I can state I've been pleased with their quality and service. I've not seen a ton of boards in my day, but the prototypes I got from customPCB looked better than many production boards I've received via other manufacturers. The plated board is completely flat (no raises from the HASL process), and the soldermask finish was like polished glass.
Does not do it justice, but it's the best I've got to put here.
A couple things I like about them:
o They'll take EAGLE pcb files directly, no need to spit out gerbers. o You can panelize for great prices (the board above I got 12 of them and 24 of a half size board on 2 panels for $204.00) o Quick. 5 days from order to sitting on doorstep, 7 if silkscreen, o Nice refund policy. You see issues with production, send the batch back and they'll redo or refund. o They've rather made a firm statement about silver plate. I can see the difference, and I applaud the stance.
I've placed a half dozen prototype orders, quality is consistent.
Jim
-- Jim Brain, Brain Innovations brain@jbrain.com http://www.jbrain.com
"SioL" schreef in bericht news:8b3Rf.837$ snipped-for-privacy@news.siol.net...
Never ordered gold plating. Orders entered through their website don't have every possible option to choose from. But they can make everything, I'm certain. I suppose you have to ask for a quotation by phone or email, discuss details with a sales person. Their automated order processing only deals with 1/2/4 layers with top/bottom silkscreen, testing, desired delivery time etc.
-- Thanks, Frank. (remove \'q\' and \'.invalid\' when replying by email)
Well, they have a custom pcb request form that allows for gold.
Rene
-- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com & commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
Splendid.
-- Siol ------------------------------------------------
This might be usefull for others as well; They charge about 0.002 Euro/mm2/micron Au
The question now would be what is the standard plating thickness for the Au PCI edge connector.
-- Siol ------------------------------------------------
Have you checked the PCI specification? A quick search gets:
-- Keith
The next question would be "how many insertion cycles" do you need ;) I believe ~1um is standard and probably what you get no matter what you order ;) But why don't you ask Eurocircuits?
-- Thanks, Frank. (remove \'q\' and \'.invalid\' when replying by email)
From the pci spec (thanks Keith) it seems like 1 micron should cover it.
I sent them my board in p-cad and am now waiting for a quote, I'll probably have to connect all PCI pins together for their electro-plating process to work. So far it sounds like gold might add some 25-35% to the total cost of the board. We'll see.
-- Siol ------------------------------------------------
I downloaded the spec to understand this better. The spec doesn't really address the card edge tabs (at least it's hidden if it does), rather the connector itself. An alternate finish in the 2.3 spec is a gold flash over 1u palladium or palladium-nickel. This might be cheaper for the tabs too.
BTW, to answer the insertion cycles question, the spec calls for
100 mating cycles "without physical damage".process to
the board.
Wow! I did a PCI card (can't remember the PCI tabs specifically) with some hard gold for a BGA connector and it didn't add anything like that to the cost. Maybe the base cost was so much higher that I really didn't care what the gold added.
-- Keith
"SioL" schreef in bericht news:7_TRf.919$ snipped-for-privacy@news.siol.net...
electro-plating process to
of the board.
They will probably do that (connecting pci pins) for you, if needed. They always check a design against their own rules, and email a snapshot indicating a possible problem, if they find weird stuff. I'm sure you will get what you expect, without any hassles.
-- Thanks, Frank. (remove \'q\' and \'.invalid\' when replying by email)
ElectronDepot website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.