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OK, OK, you are behaving like just another crackpot who can't bring himself to admit that his pet idea is wrong.

Enough said,

Jan

And speaking of geometry - it's always good to remind that your bunch of idiots has announced 2000 years of geometry (with hundreds of proofs) false, because it didn't want to fit the mad postulates of your idiot guru.

Coriolis and the tidal is its own sort of problem for usual accounts.

Coriolis, Compton, Cerenkov, Casimir, own sorts of problems for usual accounts.

Blame it on the rain.

Since a very few people - if any - are smart enough to understand our universe, we don't need many trying.

On the other hand, the world needs a lot of engineers.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

Geometry on non-planar surfaces has been around for a while.

Geographers had to get into spherical geometry early on, and hyperbolic geometry wasn't far behind.

Whoever forbade them didn't have the power to enforce their decision.

GPS hardware implements the corrections. Aesthetics may give you good looking hardware, but customers want hardware that works.

As before, the idiot here you. Clocks in different locations indicate predictably different times, and time keeping systems have to (and do) rationalise these differences by adding in the appropriate corrections.

That you don't know what you are talking about. Our satellite clocks are known to be satellite clocks and their front panels display a time which has been corrected for the known values of Lonrentz time dilation and gravitational time dilation.

It's not my pet idea. It's just difficult for me to imagine that there won't be tides on the sun, or that the tidal flows will be non-dissipative. It's easy to imagine that they won't be significant. A turbulent plasma threaded by magnetic fields is not going to behave in a way that is going to be easy to analyse.

Sure. You want to dismiss me as crank. Sci.physics.relativity has enough cranks to make it a plausible strategy, and I've been exploiting it myself, but I'm probably not enough of a crank for it to work.

Oh, really? Did geographers announced that Pythagorean theorem is really false, against more than 100 independent proofs?

No, sorry, they didn't. Their spherical geometry is a part of Euclid's. Neither did Riemann. He only was only considering the hypothesis it is false; stupid, sure, but it was your idiot guru who announced it really is.

And obedient doggies soon found both "confirmations" and that Euclid's math was always under suspect by everyone.

Right. Common sense has been warning the idiot.

And brainwashed morons wave their arms and scream they came from The S*it. How so? The chief S*it postulate is that every frame should be ruled by the same rules. How it implies that clocks in a satellite frame should have 9 192 631 774 divider while Earth clocks have 9 192 631 770?

I will tell you: it's the same way how "love your neighbor" postulate implies "let's burn those fucken heretics at the stake! All of them!!".

Numbers, please. When a clock in GPS ground base is indicating t = 2026-03-11 13:00:00.000000000000 - what is t', the indication of a satellite clock?

and time keeping systems have to (and do)

Time is WHAT CLOCKS INDICATE. That's idiot's own definition. When a clock in GPS ground base is indicating t = 2026-03-11 13:00:00.000000000000

- what is t', the indication of a satellite clock?

Clock error is a classical phenomenon, well known to Galileo, Newton and any ordinary 12 years old child. What is the difference between a clock error and your "time dilation"? In both cases clocks tend to desynchronize... when it's error we correct them,when it's dilation we say "Great! Our clocks desynchronize! Praise our beloved guru who predicted that!!" but we don't correct it, if we correct it's error, sorry.

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Similar opinions were published in the 1890s.

We've never needed many theoretical physicists, which is just as well. That sort of talent is thin on the ground.

They do pop up from time to time, and study problems that strike them as interesting. They've hit a few jackpots in recent years, and the next generation may be just as lucky.

People who think that we know all that we need to know are more numerous, and harder to put to use.

Some, like Donald J. Trump, get into jobs where their absence of talent creates real problems.

And consequently finds lots of engineering jobs being tackled by people who really don't have enough of the talent called for.

Less cool if it were noticed that your unintentional cross-posting well into thread was what involved a bunch pf people who post too often.

For years you used to be the most prolific poster on sci.electronics.design, if one of the lower-quality posters.

It isn't false on two dimensional plane. It took a long time before we had explored enough of the earth to realise that the earth's surface was curved enough to matter, and a lot longer before we could measure long enough distances accurately enough to see that the curvature did matter.

There were ancient Greeks who knew about spherical geometry. None of them had the name Euclid.

Einstein didn't "announce" anything. He just pointed out that treating time as an extra - and complex - dimension and gravity as a distortion of those dimensions was a useful way of looking at the universe.

Euclid's math was always about flat two-dimensional space. It was never "suspect", merely a convenient approximation in a lot of situations.

There weren't a lot of "obedient doggies" around when Einstein first published his general relativity work. Very few people could follow it, but those that did liked it. There are more people around now who can follow it, and they still seem to like it. People who can't follow it seem find it easier to object to it, than to learn enough to be able to follow it.

And a proper clock indicates what the user needs to know, corrected for known deviations.

Clock errors were classically due to mechanical defects in the clock - thermal expansion of the pendulum arm is the obvious one.

You have a lot to be sorry about. Incorrigible error is a sorry state.

I'm using the term "idiot" in the original Greek sense of somebody who hasn't had the kind of education that would have given them access to kind of knowledge they need. You need to go off and get it - if you have the capacity to absorb it. I got myself a Ph.D. once. Some of the graduate students I went through with were surprisingly slow - slower than some of the people who didn't make to through to graduation, so "capacity" is rather catch-all qualification.

What are you f****ng about? Ancient Greeks knew it well enough already.

Yes, he did.

He just pointed out that treating

A pity the idiot has no clue what "usefulness" is.

And have you never heard of 3-dimensional Euclid's geometry?

Well, that's what The S*it is doing with the brains of its unfortunate victims...

Of course. Calling the opponent "idiot" is much easier than answering his questions, isn't it?

And a "proper clock" is something your insane church is unable to enforce on sane people, sorry. Common sense has been warning the idiot.

So: when a clock in GPS ground base is indicating t = 2026-03-11 13:00:00.000000000000 - what is the indication of a satellite clock t'? I say t'= 2026-03-11 13:00:00.000000000000 with the precision of an acceptable error. What do you and your beloved S*it say?

Nope, we're correcting it the same way. An insane "improper!!!!!" taboo of some religious maniacs worshiping a mumbling inconsistently idiot is not going to stop us. Sorry.

Well, no you're not. A lie, of course, is exactly what is expected from a fanatic religious maniac.

But - I've told you you will soon explode with slanders and here goes the first. What do you know about my education?