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I don't think so. The price of mere functional testing can be outrageously high per unit for complex digital ICs line FPGAs and CPUs. How long does it take your desktop to complete POST (which assumes functional CPU, RAM and boot ROM and some other parts), a second or two? Multiply by the number of CPUs Intel or AMD makes per day, how much time does it take? Full parametric characterization takes MUCH longer.

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"a fifth of a wavelength wide"? Wot's the reference?

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John S

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No one is saying that anyone does full parametric characterization on any parts. CPUs do in fact have a full logic test (some portions of which may be BIST, but still on a tester) and some sort of speed test done, however.

POST is a red herring.

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josephkk

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That is the same old thing about guaranteed performance and typical parameters; the very reason that you have managed to do some interesting things with parts operated further in the margin between typical and guaranteed performance.

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josephkk

ArF eximer lasers are now used to expose fineline ICs, with 193 nm light. I make the timing controllers for most of them. They are exposing features down to 20 nm or some such. Immersion optics reduces the physical wavelengths some. That's pushing the resists and such pretty hard.

It doesn't look like it's going to be worth it to develop shorter wavelength eximers. The next step may be incoherent EUV, blasting molten tin droplets with lasers or something bizarre like that, 13 nm light maybe. Or e-beam, if anybody can ever get the production rates up.

ASML has shipped a few scanners that have EUV light sources. Reportedly they cost about $110e6 each.

Maybe Moore's Law just stops and we live with it.

John

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Are you saying that individual JAN-TX transistors are manufactured and shipped, untested?

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John Larkin

Yeah, but synchrotron X-ray sources can get down to the 0.1 nm range, and all it takes is an ultrarelativistic synchrocyclotron and a good positron source... there's a half dozen of those in operation right now, just not pressed into manufacturing work.

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