Took Three daughters to the shooting range - CCW question

Actually I own several rifles 338 mag,7mm REM mag when I shoot a moose I want to kill it not piss it off and a 222 sako,a couple of 22's and a couple of shotguns. Got a nice fullly rigged fish and ski boat to. I live on the great lakes. Tons of small inland lakes with in easy driving distance.

I had rifles since I was a child.

Where I live the bush is easily accessible I hunt and fish regularly within just out my door the lake to two hundred mile limit with a longer excursion at least once a year.

My comment about the 9mm was from my father 35 yrs in the miltary who goes to grayling and shares the range with the 10th mountain division it was one of them who said the 9mm lacks stopping power. It's a hollywood gun.

I prefer a Smith & Wesson 5 shot double action .38 revolver with a shielded hammer. Also, the trouble free light finish saves a lot of cleaning. It is light weight, jam proof and has a very light recoil with lighter loads. Autos are best left to the pros who train extensively to deal with malfunctions. The light trigger pull gives you a chance to aim the first shot, the light recoil allows you come back on the target in the next three shots and the hammer gives you the smoothest possible trigger to spend your final round. According to statistics offered in the North Carolina CCW course 85% of the rounds fired in a gunfight miss their target. Under all circumstances, you will be held accountable for the damages associated with those rounds. A better home defense gun is a 12 Gauge Pump Shotgun with a barrel that is too long to shoot yourself. No permit required in the Free States of America. Be aware that the clean up bill after a successful deployment inside a home is usually only about $2000.

Borrow/rent a gun & take the course first. Then think about whether you want to take on the responsibility and risk of carrying.

Of course this is just one instructors opinion...

BTW, if you EVER point the weapon at a Law Enforcement Officer OR an armed citizen you are volunteering to die!

John Ferrell W8CCW

Hammy wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

I wasn't referring to you,"Hammy",but to that UK subject.

shot placement is more critical than "stopping power".

PeterD wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

ALMOST never jam. You never heard of revolvers "tying up"?

Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

he's a UK twit;he doesn't know anything about guns or self-defense. He just has an active imagination,doesn't base anything on FACTS.

You can have shot placement and stopping power. You just have to practice with whatever you're using.

Snipers are using 50 cal rifles for hits out well beyond a thousand yards.

My .22 automatic often jams, but a lot of rimfire ammo is of pretty poor quality.

Another good reason to not carry guns.... U were lucky to live to tell the tale... BTW we are all entitled to our opinions. Just because I'm from the UK doesn't bar me from that. You ( in the USA) should appreciate adn respect the freedom of speech....

Bit off topic, but for those that don't know UK law, you get mandatory 5 years in prison for 'possesion' of a firearm, and that includes dummmy guns,toy guns, bb guns etc. Use it in a crime and that escalates to 10 yrs min. That includes using a dummy gun. Tough eh ? The real problem over here is all (lots) the school kids carrying knives. It a catch 22. they carry beacause others do.

..which leads to a dumb question i have...does one need an un-concealed permit if it is always kept in plain sight?

You are using the wrong example to try and make your point. I wasn't carrying a firearm at the time. It was upstairs, the fight was going on downstairs. I ran up, got the semi-auto handgun, came back down and pointed it. My stupidity in pointing the firearm at someone had nothing whatever to do with "carrying guns." I wasn't carrying anything. It was merely within the home and it took me two minutes to get it and return.

Firearms are pretty much everywhere in the US, with no end in sight. Two doors down, my neighbor regularly fires _fully automatic_ weapons. The police told me that it's fine with them, but that I should feel free to call them if I hear bullets whizzing overhead or impacting in my home! It's about like that, here. Bottom line is that one needs to have some level of training. It's wise to assume that each and every home has at least one or two firearms inside, somewhere. Some, many more than that. No escaping it, so the best thing is to educate yourself and get some training from professionals and develop some maturity of thought about it. That doesn't come from watching TV.

Yes. On that point, I agree. Almost every other possibility would have been worse for me. As it was, I made a very stupid mistake and survived to learn from it.

I've no idea about this comment of yours. I don't believe I said anything about that.

In the US, the most protected form of speech is political speech and there is no doubt that expressing an opinion about private ownership and use of firearms would be political speech. Feel free. I don't mind.

I think the point I'd make is that in the US it makes sense to become familiar with firearms. You don't have to be comfortable around them. But it's probably better to know something about them and to be aware of their prevalence here. If you plan to visit for a while, anyway. I think they are probably as common as a refrigerator.

Jon

Robert Baer wrote in news:I6ednZ13QrmW5aHWnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@posted.localnet:

Not in Vermont.

some states allow "open carry"(as it's called),many do not. firearms laws vary widely from state to state.

Not true. Only for real firearms.

.22s are notorious for jaming, mostly because there simply isn't enough power in the shell to work it well...

But, I'll stick to my revolver, I can get off five shots almost as fast as someone with a semi, and bottom line: if I can't hit 'em in five, then I deserve the results!

No, it's not a good reason "not to carry guns". He was stupid but that had nothing to do with "carrying guns". He put himself in a dangerous position unnecessarily. Yes, that's stupid.

It seems it didn't. Even fools are allowed opinions.

We also appreciate and respect the Second Ammendment (it's purpose is to guarantee the First), something you obviously know nothing about.

I said it because one of the VT politicians did it, and got in a heap-o-hurt about it.

You certainly were lucky! Funny story, though.

No one wonders about the ability of the TSA to protect air travel. It's a great make-work program for Demonicrats, though.

They may have looked, but do you think anyone saw? It is a crap job and only the lowest forms of life would put up with it.

Doesn't do you any good after you're dead.

That you aren't allowed to protect yourself, yeah that would be tough.

At least they have a fighting chance. Of course school children here are thrown out of school and criminalized for carrying tweezers.

That depends entirely on the jurisdiction. Vermont, no. There are no such gun laws (nor any permits at all, as has been mentioned). Most other states require a concealed carry permit to carry and do not allow open carry at all. It's commonly known as "menacing", a crime in itself. In many CCW states one may transport an unloaded weapon but again, this varies by state. One reason I got a CCW was to obviate any confusion, here.

krw wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

It helps if you know something about the subject. Without factual support,opinions are just so much hot air.

Of course you are free to spout off on what you are not knowledgable about,but it doesn't do anything for your credibility. People recognize it and have no respect for you.