The reality of driving an EV cross-country

Yes. The point is arbitrary comparisons can be CREATED to "prove" any claim.

If you want to look at the TRUE, total impact of a transportation methodology, then drag in ALL of the related externalities and put dollar figures on each. E.g., wait until the gas tax is replaced by a *mileage* tax payable annually at time of registration. And, the cost (including environmental impact) of mining materials essential to battery production, copper, etc. is factored in -- along with any wars concocted to secure those supplies. Costs to society/The Economy due to unaffordability of mobility tied to a particular technology, etc.

ye olde rocket 88:

LOL! At least you didn't say Chrysler product. Still, you aren't saying much.

You sold me on how bad the Volt was when you talked about how you had to modulate the regenerative braking by slapping a paddle!

and I've owned a

Well, it sure seems like they "want" to design electric cars. So far, not so good.

This was a fascinating study in human behavior; the strident true believers like SNIPPERMAN, ricky and Bitrex are in full denial mode that include such tried and true methods as blaming the victim, or ME for just posting the article which I didn't write.

This, and other articles on the subject, have a common thread: the EV charging network is sporadic and is in disrepair. Planning cross country trips with an EV amount to a military exercise. EVs WILL NOT be accepted as a primary vehicle UNTIL these issues are fully resolved.

On a sunny day (Thu, 09 Jun 2022 19:38:45 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman snipped-for-privacy@nospam.please wrote in <t7tb76$nac$ snipped-for-privacy@gioia.aioe.org>:

Most houses have windows.

Linux is even used in space.

The really weird thing is a bunch of Einstein parroting clowns shooting particles at each other with no practical result other than babble on a piece of paper. Job creation.. Jan Panteltje once wrote: "If you cannot do it with those small particles on the desktop then you cannot do it with a machine the size of the universe."

Whatever, after the stone age so many humming lifeworms did so many things... believed so many wrong theories, .. where will it go? WW3 may filter some crap out, or / and set us back a few thousand years or more What works will stay, if us lifeworms are part of what will stay? Universe is unfolding at least this bang . maybe many of those, some things look repetitive electrons orbiting.. planets orbiting, big bangs orbiting? Life everywhere,,, Poly Ticksians denying it.. religious leaders afraid of it, Soon US back to grass huts and rain dances... ? Most humming population wiped out by climate changes?

WTF do I care? Mars ? Go there? Look we need to beam up there, get on with it Or just pack our DNA and sent it on some Voyager type spacecraft in the hope it lands and then all that history will repeat itself... Or they are already here and I am one? ;-)

On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Jun 2022 00:38:15 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe snipped-for-privacy@message.header wrote in <t7u3pm$3pj$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

well, maybe for some.

You obviously never really used Linux. I have been writing Linux applications since 1998. One of the first ones was this Usenet newsreader and am still using it, see headers (if you can on your MSW computa).

I worked for a company that worked with IBM, designed ISA cards among other things and designed hardware and wrote code in x86 asm for many things that were used in industry.

So I dare say I know a bit about PCs and the people who use those.

Likely there are more Linux / Unix based application than for that MS system, mainly because of open source. If not you can often use something like wine (Linux windows emulator) to run MS windows stuff. Or just dual boot..

What a joke, my first speech recognition on Linux goes back about 20 years I used it to control my satellite receiver, saying 'show BBC' would show BBC, etc. There are MANY text to speech programs for Linux, some are not even bound by the OS but use google translate if there is a net connection, all open source, I have tested many of those and have some on my system.

Here is a 2 line script that uses mplayer, google translate and a net connection for text to speech, you can modify the '=en' to='XX' for other languaages pronounciation.. mplayer is present in most Linux distros.

#!/bin/bash say() { local IFS=+;/usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa -really-quiet -noconsolecontrols "

$*&tl=en"; } say $*

So you type gst2_en "Hello World"

No need to even install anything... decent voice too.

No way, Linux is simply a multitasking OS that was (before that Rathead clown messed up its simplicity with dbus shit) very simple. I wrote a multitasker myself long ago for Z80.. Linux (or better Unix) is an internally consistent very good operating system. Maybe the old boys (or lifeforms or whatever is politically correct these days) will remember the days of DR DOS (Digital Research Disk Operating System) and Windows 3.1, I mean when Billy the Gates stated that internet was not really much... that old Win 3.1 could run on DR DOS!! I used it that way and had Trumpet winsock to connect to the internet! So basically ran on DOS, the GUI was separate In fear of competition (From Digital Research) Billy than integrated the underlying MS DOS into the GUI and a lot of crap mess it has ever been since. Linux I can still boot up to the command line and return to the command line with ALT F1 or ALT F2 and back to the X11 GUI with what was it ALT F7 or something That basic Linux is a cool thing.

As to applications: Linux distros come with things like Open Office etc that do much of what many MS users use a PC for. And free at that

Anyways MS is already dead, they still do not know it.

Probably no use to try to educate those who do not want to learn "He who refuses to see is effectively blind"

It's bad because Windows is a system widely targeted by hackers, and which needs patches and upgrades to remain usable. Any of those may brick the primary purpose of the device, i.e., behaving like an electronic instrument. It becomes a maintenance chore.

If it runs something obscure and proprietary, even though its security may be lacking, it loses its interest to hackers.

Fair enough. You could outsource that aspect if you don't want to deal with. Besides, if a Windows-based instrument fails because of some Windows deficiency, who are you going to sue? Micro$oft? LMAO.

That's absurd.

Jeroen Belleman

You can buy an older Leaf for $7k to $8k and restore it to 100mi for around $2k. Add optional 100mi with CCS for around $5k, perhaps with rental plan. I'll post my constructions and draw up a plan when ready.

On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Jun 2022 09:18:56 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe snipped-for-privacy@message.header wrote in <t7v2a0$ui7$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

The power of Unix / Linux is pipes Its easy to combine programs if those are written to use pipes, I do it all the time. Combining stuff others wrote with stuff you wrote yourself gives a lot of possibilities.

*Four years ago*, I drove from near Washington, DC to Houston, TX in a brand new model X. I did not observe the "sporadic" and "disrepair" nature of the charging network. Since then, the network has grown several fold. I think the reports of the EV's death are greatly exaggerated.

The fact that Tesla has raised the entry level price significantly, while the wait list gets longer, shows there no lack of demand for the vehicles. So obviously "EVs WILL NOT be accepted" is not an accurate description of the situation. But I suppose you meant, "EVs WILL NOT be accepted" by YOU. No one cares. No one is going to pry your vehicle from your cold, dead hands. You'll just have to drive 25 miles to get gasoline in 20 years. Or maybe you will make your own ethanol fuel from crops? Is that the sort of thing you like? Yes, I'm sure it is, looking out for the planet.

Car and Driver's take was:

"it continues to be an exceptional hybrid and an excellent car, 8/10"

Autoblog:

"Best used car value in America"

The authors seem a bit more qualified than the person writing for the WSJ

There is some irony in someone posting on the Internet about "babble on a piece of paper". The entire function of this group is babble! That includes most of what passes for "technical" discussion here, as well, certainly most of what you post.

What does WSJ have to do with this? I'm going by your experience. You've convinced me to never consider any sort of Chevy EV product in the future. Clearly they have very bizarre ideas of how cars should operate.

So, close to $15K?

You can *buy* an ICE vehicle for as little as a few hundred dollars. For $15K, you can get something that even *looks* nice.

And, add "energy' to it for $5/gallon (presently).

I've never known anyone to NEED to replace a gas tank!

What portion of the population do you want to exclude from having the ability to drive (to work, etc.)? The folks who clean pools, do landscaping, work in restaurants, etc. tend to drive "cheap" cars, likely because they can't afford (the payments!) on a $15K vehicle.

What a whiner. People who post OT posts should be grateful anyone chooses to reply and talk to them in the first place.

They've already been accepted by millions of people who don't care what the state of charging infrastructure in western Arkansas is, and don't care about long cross country trips through those parts of the country.

I think Ricky can be an ass but he's right on one thing, despite prognostications like "they'll never this, they'll never that" on the part of guys like you, they keep selling.

Proclaiming a product a failure that they can't keep in stock and has wait lists eventually just starts to look dumb

Ah, vacuum windshield wipers... My family had a '57 Chevy. The little dip was retained but cars were growing fins. It was downhill from around '53 or so. I think the '55 Chevy is overrated.

Considering the market for used tires and batteries I don't think the pool cleaners have a lot of disposable income. Obama's Cash for Clunkers drove up the price of used cars but no problem; it was for the kids.

You don't read car mags very often do you? Every car is the greatest thing since sliced bread. When advertising revenues pay the light bill you're not going to piss in anybody's Wheaties.

More like $10k plus occasional rental of $10 to $20 per day.

Not without hundreds or thousands of maintenance/repair.

Local chargings are usually $0 to $2 /gal equivalent. It is only expensive for highway robbery, but only occasionally.

Older Leafs (Leaves?) remain very popular for this kind of people, as well as students. Most of them can live with 40 miles range.