Simple Open-source Random Pulse Amplifier

Simple Open-source Random Pulse Amplifier A Stochastic Resonator Pulse Supply

I'm hoping to find a collaborative group to design, test, revise (in ongoing round trips for several months) a simple schematic for amplifying the random noise of Zener current, and using the random noise to switch a power MOSFET (or such) with as narrow a pulse as practical.

Rather than general chat/antichat on the topic, I'd hope to gather a protagonistic group toward a project posted here...

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Or contact off-list mitch @ groupKOS.com

Warm regards, DonEMitchell

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Mitch
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So you want a random number generator?

Luhan

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Luhan

In message , dated Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Luhan writes

Plus winding details for non-inductive coils. Next week, constructional details for capacitors that don't store charge, and superconducting resistors.

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John Woodgate

Lots of big words in the article, but:

So how much noise is generated by the zener, D2 in draft 1. R3 looks like a variable short circuit to me.

martin

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martin griffith

martin griffith a écrit :

Well, there's much more. Probably something like the 7 (hundred) hidden errors and I'm sure Win wouldn't have dreamed such a sum of bad ideas circuit.

Also there's no need for an accomplished engineer to optimize this circuit: it's quite an accomplishment in itself :-)

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Fred Bartoli

In message , dated Wed, 30 Aug 2006, martin griffith writes

It's all utter rubbish.

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John Woodgate

The writeup at the URL makes no sense to me. The system which contains no harmonic energy, once pumped to a threshold....?????

Perhaps it would be best if interpretation of the write up is left to you, and you just say what kind of pulses you want. Do you want pulses of random duration, random time of occurance, or both? Does "pulse" connote fixed amplitude -- either "on" or "off"?

What is or are the random parameters -- time of onset, duration, number of pulses per second, or ???? What kind of statistical distribution are you after for your stochastic variable(s) -- Gaussian, linear, or something else?

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Don Foreman

Thats why I gave up after finding 2 errors. The site also needs to be translated into english

martin

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martin griffith

Yes! Thanks, Fred, I have saved the drawing in my bad circuits! candidate folder. It's a real douzy! Not a good omen for Open-source circuit design, whatever that is.

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I hadn't been following this thread. Bwahahahahahaha!

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In message , dated Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Winfield Hill writes

The text on the site is a typical melange of technical phrases more or lest scattered at random. The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi did this sort of thing. Once you see the words 'vacuum energy' (you DID see them, didn't you?) with no explanation how this 'pulse generator' could affect or liberate it, especially via a non-inductive coil, your sc/kepticism gene should switch to flank speed astern.

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John Woodgate

Yes indeed, I was wondering how they are powering this crap, maybe a

78L15 as a shunt regulator?

martin

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martin griffith

"martin griffith" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Actually, I think it is rather clever. It will certainly teach the end users to stop fiddling with the pots ;)

Hmm, a pot, a small window comparator, and string of 555's that turn on crowbars all over the place. And a very inviting label near the pot, something like "Spatial Bass Enhancement".

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Frank Bemelman

:-)

I particulary like this requirement: "Maximum pulse repetition rate through maximizing the settling time after a pulse."

Ed

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ehsjr

Hi Luhan,

No, not a random number genertor, but a random pulse generator--white noise amplifier. The current peak delivered by the circuit needs to be very high and very short.

A sea shell will "pink" the "white" noise at the sea shore as a harmonic chamber.

The "pinking" influence of various piezocrystal-magnetic resonant circuits is the intended use, but the use has nothing to do with the circuit design... which is simply to deliver maximum current in minimum time to a low resistance device, at a very high pulse rate per second (several dozen kiloHertz perhaps).

The white noise of the Zener current is a nice source of randomness... as I understand from my amateur level of electronics. The variable potentiometer is "suggested" to adjust the Zener current. The op-amp is only a suggested black box that will trigger the MOSFET at various "pinking" parameters of the white noise.

Any suggestion of the errors to be corrected in the "suggested" schematic at the link would be appreciated. As noted in the article, there are errors, and the request was to suggest improved versions based only on the circuit suggested.

As well, I don't understand the drawing programs, like SPICE, or electronic design, and I hope to attract someone that can be the project engineer... all voluntary, of course.

Cheers, DonEMitchell

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Mitch

Hi Don Foreman,

Thanks for your questions.

The pulse distribution would be as close as possible to being a mirror of the randomness of the Zener current.

A Zener is a quantum tunnel device as I understand it, true?

The "randomnes" of the source of quantum fuzziness is the character of the pulse distribution.

The amplitude and duration is not yet realized. The project circuit is posted as a suggestion, and as such has already weeded out many antagonists from well meaning protagonistic advise.

I understand the Zener clamping diode (spike protection) is backwards, true? As I learn details (and perhaps I should be in a beginners forum rather that with the august big dogs) I'd hope to link words to definition pages... this is toward helping the novice realize the design components purposes.

There is a lot of scientific research outside of electronics in the science of system dynamics. Search the

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wiki for "chaos and bifurcation" for various links. A frog's ear uses Hopf bifurcation effect to couple with faint sound and ignore louder sounds (a faint insect buzz in the raucous din of pond life). A PA system turned up to the threshold of feed-back is a course analogy of Hopf bifurcation. There is a couple of good articles on randomness stabilizing determinant systems in the Esoterica Articles.

The coupling with the illusive gravity wave and piezocrystals (saphire) is a current project in Australia. A friend in Alaska has repeated the success of Wilbert Smith of Canada, circa 1950s using piezo-magnetic resonance.

Back to bad electronics... can you suggest corrections for version two, with a focus on selection of practical and affordable components?

Thanks!

Cheers, DonEMitchell

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Mitch

Hey Ed!

You mean the "flux capacitor" (hehehe). That's one bit of psience fiction I haven't posted anywhere yet... based on a magnetic array technique that will lock two magnetic iron squares together with a levitated separation, each have a center hole: a stack of these in pyramidal form... sacred geometry and all that stuff.

There is a patent on a moebius strip resitor that will also crank your skeptical-gene... the moebius resistor is actually a circular strip capacitor that has a half-twist which makes it one surface, and as such has a resonant frequency proportional to the length of the circumference... while the capacitance goes away at resonance when the traveling wave meets its tail.

Plus the Caduceus winding is well known outside of consumer electronics circles, also patented as a toroidal Caduceus winding.

Thanks for all the laughs. Back to bad electronics now --and the request to help make good electronics from the pool of engineering minds in the know... a group thing.

Tell me how to fix whats wrong, please... the obvious problems first, then round-trip through design tests and subsequent versions.

Cheers, DonEMitchell

p.s. The measure of the group-project advocate is as to whether when his skeptical gene is activated, that it doesn't activate his fight nor flight response, and instead invokes a curiousity which overcomes sycophantisms aimed at meriting group allegiance with the antagonistical and subjectivly ascertained big dogs of the respective interest group... I've been doing email groups for eight years... same old stuff always happens :)

See my Yahoo forum:

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Mitch

You're obviously a victim of severe psychotic confusion resulting from some sort of serious shortcomings in mental development. Whatever you do, please stay out of politics.

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Fred Bloggs

--- Your most glaring error is that you're top-posting your replies. Learn how to bottom and in-line post if you expect much help from us.

Some of the remaining errors are:

  1. With R3 at 0%, VP will be connected to ground through R3, which means that you'll need a power supply which can source infinite current through the zero ohms of R3.
  2. D2 is in backwards.
  3. There is no such thing as a "0µH" inductor.
  4. R2 and C1 will only slow up the circuit.
  5. Your opamp will "rail"
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--- Happens around here all the time too, especially when a pompous bullshit artist like you comes around pretending to be god almighty while spewing submoronic crap.

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--- Why bother? If it's anything like the rest of your crap it'll be a total waste of time.

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John Fields

Let's separate the problem from proposed solutions for a moment. In other words, fuggedabout the zener for now, and define what you want in terms of excitation. Might this be pulses of known voltage and duration occurring at random times, like random injections of a quantum of energy? If so, should they be bipolar or is a DC component OK?

Once we sort out what is wanted, then we can worry about how to realize it. There are several ways to get randomness.

We're all beginners at something until we quit learning.

It'll be up to you to translate all that into terms of what you want in terms of excitation.

Yes, once you have clearly defined what you want in clear, simple terms. The circuit designer need not understand Hopf bifurcation etc. It's your job to determine what you want for excitation.

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Don Foreman

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