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Even those with "harder" curriculums aren't learning what the employers really want. I've recently been on both ends of age discrimination. My current manager made no bones about it. He doesn't want the current crop of graduates. He wants the gray hairs.

The article also misses another reason people are working longer; they're able to and *want* to. 65 is too early for many.

Didn't see "Occupier" in the list.

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I've never understood why so many employes would rather have a youngster with little skill, no realistic perspective on life and no ability to resolve situations outside of their narrow idea of what the job entails, than people that regularly have all of those.

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They cost less, are very maleable, AND as a manager in a large organization one is measured by the NUMBER of people reporting than the AMOUNT of productivity.

It's hilarious to see a bunch of occupiers profiled, with their occupations listed. They are universally useless, unless maybe they are food servers. Not a single engineering student or auto mechanic among them.

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For a sufficiently dysfunctional organization. Government, yes. Very large companies, sometimes. Smaller companies, almost never.

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Some managers, at least, seem to feel threatened by having older and very solidly competent people working for them.

I don't think that applies to the majority -- but it certainly seems to apply to a significant minority.

I know that any business that wants to have a long, profitable life, needs to both keep older, experienced workers, and bring in new, enthusiastic kids to have a healthy workplace. The old folks provide guidance, a knowledge of history, and how things have worked. The new kids provide energy, excitement and the willingness to try new ideas.

Back in my youth, while working for the phone company, I was lucky enough to meet Scott. He was the microwave tech for my area, and spent a lot of time in my CO. An old time ham, he knew more RF and analog than most engineers I have met, even though he had never bothered with a degree. He taught me a lot, and enjoyed expanding my horizons on what could be done with a few simple parts and an idea. We also had fun hacking C64s together. Every good engineer needs someone like that in his youth to get him going the right direction. Too few find them... :-(

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I know it was true in one of my jobs.

I transferred in to the 91 Express Lanes project from the R&D team. I had helped design a lot of the equipment, so now I could help install and turn it up.

From my first day, my manager wanted me away from the office. We had a test site two hours away in the high desert. I was immediately made the local offices representive at the test site. I didn't mind it at first, because that was where the validation testing was going on, and everyone was up there. Then, when the testing was over, he STILL wanted me up there, even if nothing was happening. We also changed second line managers about this time. If he caught me in the office, say turning in my payroll and expenses, he would rail at me to get back up to the test site.

Then, he found himself a new job and left the company. I was asked to come back into the office, and was called in to the second line manger (the project manager's) office. He wanted to know if I wanted to go from salary as an engineer, to hourly, as the maintanance foreman. I was flabbergasted! Not knowing what was going on, I immediately said NO! (a mistake on my part... 8-) Over the next few weeks, I found out that the prior manager was afraid of me, and had been sandbagging me for weeks. As an engineer with a masters, while the former boss only had technician credentials, I had more prestige. As a design engineer who had helped design the equipment, I had more knowledge, and I had done project management in a former position. So, he told the new boss that I was a 'problem' and that he would handle me. I was always complaining (Yes, I hated having a four hour commute added to a nine hour day!) I had a family that was complaining (Yes, my wife was blind, in a new apartment in a new town where she didn't know anyone) and felt that I couldn't handle the hours.

Suffice to say, I was laid off by the end of the year, and didn't mind leaving at all. I just wish I had had the wisdom to have sued them for all the things that went on there!

Charlie

Its very important to know about office politics and what is happening behind your back. I got bitten by that once. Since then I keep records of what I have been doing and who has (not) decided what to do and report that to management.

My wife is the discerning one when it comes to people... "John R, in your group, is having an affair." I said, "No, I don't think so." One day John R was greeted at home by both his wife and a "lady with a baby" ;-) ...Jim Thompson

Beside the obvious reasons (cheaper, yes-men, etc) in some realities where corruption is rampant, which is the case in my country, money (from taxes and EU funds for example) comes whether the project succeeds or not. This applies both to public entities and private subcontractors.

In this context corrupt management doesn't give a floating turd about how the project will end up, so they go for the cheapest possible workforce: their goal is the pile of money they get anyway and the other pile of money some politician will get them under the counter in exchange for that shiny demonstration that will bring them votes/notoriety.

Voters have no memory and governments do change, therefore a trashed project will have no other effect than maybe a trail of "not my fault".

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fine arts, drama, theatre ALL make for great MARKETING and ADVERTISING personnel, and GUI Designers. And a Journalism Major, or language major, is a perfect background for doing SOFTWARE.

And of course music is great for Engineering and Math.

I was surprised not to see SPORTS in that list, since so few can make much at it.

So, someone please tell me why go to University for a 'practical' science degree when ALL the manufacturing has essentially moved offshore?

It looks like todays journalists have finally caught up to what was common knowledge decades ago. In the late 60's I was an EE undergrad living in the dorms with a bunch of guys who were there solely for the 2S deferment. It was a standing joke that their majors were either Underwater Basket Weaving or Sand Painting. Art

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That's funny. Would be funnier if it wasn't so true.

My wife works in a bank, which hires a lot of young kids (20somethings) in positions like tellers and customer service. Not one of them acts like they need the job, even the one who just got foreclosed on (by the same bank).

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Because it hasn't. There is still a *lot* of design being done here, also.

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(where 'threatened' means 'scared literally out of their mind', yes.)

Only the ones in power. :(

--Winston

-- Ali's plans were in place; Older workers in the company went through daily hell.

Ali had forgotten only one thing.

Every February the Second, he got a year older.

Why is architecture there? It isn't the most "useful" thing, but every new Dunkin Donuts that goes up needs an architect to ensure it meets building codes.