Re: PC only boots after on/off/on cycle ?

Nov 26, 2012 59 Replies

Origins aside (and I have some sympathy for the precriptivist argument), it's considered acceptable these days* to call a cell a battery.. but it's never acceptable to call a multi-cell battery a "cell".

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He or she said it was _not_ a cell. That is saying that it consists of more than one cell. So, certainly not a lithium CR2032 'battery', which is a single button cell.

  • the rot seems to have set in earlier than the 60s and 70s-- my 1949 edition of the "Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers" says, somewhat snarkily, "In accordance with common usage the term is also applied to a single cell". Common usage usually wins out in the long run-- there are more commoners than nobility, after all.

Yes. Handheld, tube operated, and therefore HV (as it were) requiring military radio sets were fun little items. The tubes were like my baby finger in size. Needed a 67.5 Volt battery. That WAS more than one Cell.

Y'er both wrong. It's called a pile.

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ONLY if you use an array of those, all alike, to produce another "battery". In such a case, each 'battery' could be called a cell of the whole, finished device.

Like a box full of 9 Volt cells wired in an array. Then one could rightly say "Each of those is a cell in my new battery."

Thought you'd pile some on too, huh? :-)

So, would more then one be called a 'pilery'?

10 bucks is way too much to pay. If you need one in hurry buy it at the supermarket.

theyre good for testing LEDs

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Made in Japan shipped from China? I have a bridge you may be interested in.

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Sony on the wrapper and Panasonic on the case ? Sounds like a forgery.

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they are cells.

Ignorant of chemistry apparently.

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Perhaps some Chinaman got the old tooling cheap on E-bay?

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you could, but you'd be wrong.

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What a coincidence! So is dimbulb.

These batteries are also known, even in the larger sizes like the CR2032's as button cells.

What makes you think Panasonic didn't destroy their old tooling? WTF would it end up on ebay?

Made by farmers who are locked inside a Chinese factory, no doubt.

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Unbelieveable! You forgot the quotes! :-)

Absolutely so!

Nobody dumped any tooling anyway*. They're still making the batteries. Changing markings on a production line costs almost nothing and can be done in minutes.

BTW, the ones I've gotten in production quantity through the legitimate distribution chain were made in Panasonic's factory in Indonesia, not in Japan. Here's why:-

Min wage per month (US$) Indonesia $85 China (Shenzhen/GZ) $208/202 Japan $937 US $1257 Canada $1392

Despite Indonesia being a rather corrupt country with political instability and creaky infrastructure, it's really, really cheap to produce a simple product like a battery or button cell that has only a few component parts (metal and chemicals and packaging).

  • I toured a mothballed alkaline battery factory not that long ago- in the Toronto area (mostly AA cells). Lots of machinery on the lines (packaging and assembly). It's not much more sophisticated than packaging toothpaste- cram the chemicals into the housing, seal it up, test and package it. At ~ for 48 no-name batteries these days, I don't think they had the scale to compete- it was only about 8000 or
10,000 ft^2 IIRC.

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That is the tooling I was referring to. The plate that imprints the casing.

Matsushita = Panasonic, not Sony. Sounds like a fake.

A 9 volt BATTERY consists of six 1.5V CELLS.

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