I'm not sure now, since I can't find the original announcement, but I believe it was the IEEE 802.3 committee that was recently disbanded due to infighting ;-)
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From what I understand there were "dominant" companies that wanted the standard their way _period_.
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If 802.3 is one of the *ANSI* IEEE working Groups I would expect ANSI to step in. Things like this can cause a Standards organization to lose their ANSI accreditation. Also, sometimes the Working Group members get overzealous and do not accurately represent their parent companies, in which case the parent company Members should fix the problem.
What's going on with EDA advertising? Cadence keeps doing the same full-page ad with the pear-shaped psychedelic lettering that's ugly and unintelligable, and Mentor keeps running the repulsive mouldy-bread thing. I turn the page so fast, not only do I not read whatever blather they have to say, I also skip the ad on the facing page. I'd sure hate to spend $8K for a full-page ad opposite Mentor's green loaf!
They could at least give us the comic-book superhero idiocy that the other marketing twits think engineers are impressed by. Or pictures of robots. Or babies. Or baby robots.
The lowest we - in my company - go in uF is 0.1. Below that, it's nF. It's a lot easier to say "point two-two mikes" than "two hundred and twenty nanofarads." We do say stuff like "two-twenty puffs", but we have no accepted shortcut for "nanofarads"... "twenty-seven nans"? I'll try that and gauge the reaction.
But why is it "simpler" in Europe? The cap value is the same. Hell, Americans pretty much invented electronics (tubes, transistors, ICs, lasers, fiberoptics, stuff like that) so naturally we have traditions.
We're also a lot less standards-oriented, so anarchy reigns in things like schematic symbols and notation. Fun, in my opinion.
AFAIR Lilienfeld and Dr.Heil patented FETs earlier, late 20's to early
30's. However, they never did much with it like it happens so often in Europe. Then there was a group in Paris that developed the "real thing" pretty much in parallel with Bardeen et. al. but the groups initially didn't know of each other. Of course, like with Edison and his light bulb the US group had a healthy business idea in mind right with their invention and that's how it ought to be. Then (IIRC) Sony came in, bought a license and made oodles of transistor radios and probably lots of profits.
Same in plumbing. The missus wants a new hot water dispenser so I have to figure out how to interconnect all that 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4" stuff. One of those back pain jobs coming :-(
I'm an American and I prefer the European method. The advantage is that you that you can see the decimal point (the letter) more easily. This causes far fewer mistakes.
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Yup.
It\'s like no matter what we do or how well we do it, there\'s always
this pack of weasels nipping at our heels trying to convince us that
our accomplishments are unimportant, that we\'re uncivilized and that
we should _really_ be listening to them telling us how to run things
and so, in order to "prove" it, LOL, they come up with all these
harebrained schemes which are supposed to better than ours, and yet,
really do nothing more than confuse.
But, the one thing that makes me know we\'re on the right track is
that they\'re trying to get the "United States of Europe" together.
I guess they finally caught on to that it works, as evidenced by a
couple of hundred years\' of success on our part, and yet, there\'s
England, refusing to let go of the pound and get into the spirit of
the thing.
Aaaarrghhh!!!!
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:38:36 -0800, John Larkin wrote in Msg.
Actually the "2k7" notation is just a convention, just as drawing a resistor as a little box instead of a squiggly line. Unless you're required to stick to some convention by company rules (which no one seems to be around here) you can pick whatever you like better and go with that.
It'd be interesting to track down who started the infix multiplier notation, and where, and what their motives were, and if those motives indeed were to do it better than "the Americans" (actually it wouldn't be. The mere thought of doing the necessary research makes me want to go to sleep). FWIW it might as well have been started by some American company, probably to save a wee bit of space on a schematic, but only caught on in Europe.
So what's the problem? Someone comes up and says that they prefer to do something in some way that happens to be the way it is often done in Europe. Why sould you care? Just do whatever pleases YOU.
Recently I tried to remember if AoE (to which I refer almost daily) uses zigzags or boxes for resistors. I know it is an American book so most definetely it has zigzags, but I just couldn't visualize it. Could as well have been boxes. I had to check. It's the same for the infix/postfix notation. Apparently I'm equally comfortable with both systems, as I'm sure are you. After all we often use old schematics that used completely different conventions, or none at all. Ohmygosh! Can't use my old Burr-Brown book any more! They draw op amps with a bulging input side! And with thick lines! Whaa! Whaa!
BTW, I think it's sad that both Americans and Europeans pass up the opportunity to use _both_ zigzags and boxes in schematics. Both are visually appealing as well as distinctive and easy to draw. Maybe we can use the zigzags for wirewound resistors and boxes for thick-film.
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