OT: The Power Grid Will Fail within 36 Months

I wish I had the link (it's at the office), but we received one press release from the American Solar Power Association (or something similar) where the head of said organization said that his solar panels have had a better return on investment over the last three years than his 401K. Now that's what I call damning with faint praise.

Be difficult to both tax them generating billions, and also bankrupt them. You don't kill the goose...

Sylvia.

Apparently, in his school, they didn't tell that little parable, because it seems like he's hell-bent on doing just that.

And of course, he and his minions will keep blaming Bush all the way down.

Thanks, Rich

So, rather than answer my question, you speechify.

Of COURSE you get a good ROI when part of the return is a government subsidy that was confiscated from honest wage-earners.

HOW MUCH OF THAT RETURN CAME FROM TAX DOLLARS?

Will you answer that, or just speechify and waffle some more?

Thanks, Rich

Nahh, they're almost exactly as inefficient -- loss being through the exhaust. If you don't mind a little CO poisioning, you can get 100%. Still pretty poor though. :)

Tim

Rich, you know full well that nuclear power still uses CO2.

Tim

Leftists have never been very good at dynamics.

Or he selected *really* dumb 401K options.

If you insulated well enough, your body heat could keep a place warm, although they tell me it would get a little stuffy. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

Well, so does Coca-Cola. What's your point? I think there's a difference between "use" and "emit", by the way. And how, exactly? Got a webpage address that shows this?

What's the CO2 emission from a nuclear plant vs., say a coal plant? For that matter, what's the _radioactive_ emisssion from a nuclear plant vs. a coal plant?

Coal has radioactive trace elements that go out with the smoke and CO2 and fly ash and soot - in fact, I've seen claims that a coal plant puts out more radioactive stuff than a nuclear plant does, even when refueling the nuclear plant!

Thsnks, Rich

They have barely mastered breathing and walking at the same time.

IOW, his 401K was losing all his investments?

WHen I first heard of the 401k, I thought, "What kind of idiot thinks playing the stock market is a retirement plan? Might as well go to Vegas and "invest" in the craps table."

Gaw, I love to say "I told you so!" ;-)

Cheers! Rich

Says Michael Terrell, who has trouble with both ...

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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You won't get the chance all that often. Investing in the stock market

- as opposed to playing it - is an entirely sensible way of saving for your retirment. My parents did very well out of it.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Particularly if you move to NSW in sunny Australia, where the electricity companies are required, by law, to buy that electricity from you and pay you four times the going rate for it. Note that you get to sell all of it to them - any that you yourself need you can buy from them at the normal rate.

The media, and thus consumers without panels, have finally realised who's paying for that, and started to make a fuss, and the government has discovered that the take-up (which is subsidised as well!) is six times what they anticipated.

Sylvia.

Very necessary pump priming to achieve economies of scale to bring down PV prices.

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Possibly because his anti-coal stance also threatens the other 50%, the West Virginians lucky enough to have jobs?

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Nuclear waste is a problem in its own right. We've been creating nuclear waste for more than fifty years now, but nobody has yet managed to work out a scheme for long term storage and put it into practice.

Some of the greenies clearly are insane, but perfectly sane people can combine anxieties about extra CO2 in the atmosphere with anxieties about extra radio-active material in the ground.

Rich isn't even anxious about tobacco smoke in his own lungs, so he really doesn't represent the voice of reason.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen