OT: The Power Grid Will Fail within 36 Months

But are you importing coal?

Grant.

We have a bunch of it, so no worries there, but the President did famously say he's go "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches." --Barak Obama, Jan. 17, 2008

He later waffled incoherently in every possible direction.

Coal is kind of nasty.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

Coal is cleaner than politics.

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DimBulb's fetish is cleaner than politics.

Why would an increase in the price of coal make the grid fail? The utilities would just pass on the cost to the users.

World markets? We produce coal domestically.

John

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Granting the Robert Baer seems to think that Sweden and Norway are both socialist countries, one wonders what "socialist" countries he has actually visited. Spain under Franco was an anything-but-socialist country with a totally unreliable electrical power system.

Not an exaggeration - more an example of extreme out-of-touch-with- reality right-wing idiocy.

As the price of oil did during the 1973 oil crisis - by a factor of four. over a few months.

But they survived 1973. The lights didn't go out then, and any rational observer would be surprised if they ended up going out because the price of coal went up.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Most large utilities that burn coal in the US receive their fuel under long-term contracts with fairly stable pricing, if they don't actually own the coal mines themselves.

I think the slime from politics degenerates into crude oil after a few million years...

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Grant wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

The "power producers" will not be affected by any rise in price of coal,they will PASS ON that cost to their customers. the only effects the "power producers" will have is when people cut back on their usage or drop the service because they cannot afford the cost increase.

Comrade Obama has said he wants to "bankrupt" the coal industry. That's at least 50% of US power generation. Comrade Obama has effectively set back new nuclear plants for a couple of decades because he defunded an almost finished Yucca Mountain Repository for safe storage of nuclear wastes.(and wasting billions of US tax dollars.) Without safe storage available,investors will be reluctant to begin new reactor construction. Wind and solar cannot replace coal. That means the US economy goes in the pits,and people having to lower their standard of living.

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Yay for power conservation! Maybe people will finally ditch their highly inefficient resistive heaters? ;-)

Tim

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               I can see November from my house :-)

What he doesn't realize is that voting machines need electricity, and no one can see their lying political ads on TV with no electricity.

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Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
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Resistive heaters are far more efficient than any combustion. ;-)

Nah, voting machines don't need electricity. They come directly from the DNC "pre-counted".

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Solar is promising in sunny areas like Southern California. I see solar systems for $1.55 a watt at:

A 1KW solar system at $1500 may produce 10KWH per day worth maybe a dollar a day at 10 cents a KWH for a return of $365 per year, or 24% of investment. Figuring rainy and cloudy days, the return may be only

1/3 or 8% on investment. Sounds like a good deal for places that can use it.

-Bill

Luckily, they aren't in control around here. The ballots are filled out with a sharpie style pen, and counted by an electronic reader which looks for missing choices or multiple choices for one office. it rejects any bad ballot before the voter leaves the polling place.

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Same here. It's a great system.

The greenies are clearly insane - they want to stop CO2, but they block nuclear energy, which has ZERO CO2 emission!

That can only be insanity.

Or, could it be mere avarice?

Thanks, Rich

Only the computerized ones. When I was in locally controlled schools (i.e., no county money, no state money, no federal money, only local school district money), the voting machine they used to teach us how to vote was entirely mechanical, and hand-operated.

Of course, this was in the mid-1960s, before the unions turned the schools into socialist propaganda mills.

Cheers! Rich