OT: If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Well, a few generations of locals would be upset if Moscow went to Ukraine, so probably Russia keeps that.

As for the troops-camped-here sections of Ukraine, Russia is unlikely to forget that in the Brest-Litovsk treaty, that sort of land went to the troops' sponsors. But, that gives a clear advantage to aggressors, which is unpopular.

Russia would like the Treaty of Brest forgotten, it's REALLY unpopular with them.

We were far from neutral, which is why Germany was U-Boating supplies we were sending to Briton.

Oh give me a break. R. is probably the best source of historical information and analysis on this group. And he is damned well educated (classical sense). Plus he writes very well.

Because someone disagrees with you, does not make them ignorant. But is does make those that do that particular form of name calling, closed minded and intolerant.

Open discussions and information is necessary for a republic to survive. It is the antithesis of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

You don't deserve one.

R. is probably the best source of historical information and analysis on this group. And he is damned well educated (classical sense). Plus he writes very well.

He's been well educated in a school system that is designed to inculcate the idea that the USA is always right. Most people call that brain-washed. If you are recycling other peoples texts you do tend to produce prose that has been polished by repeated use,

Most of the people who disagree with me are ignorant. People who know less meet more well-informed disagreement

Being well-informed does make you look that way to the ill-informed, particularly to the ill-informed who are too ignorant to realise how ill-informed they are.

And you are objecting to a crucial ingredient of open discussion - pointing out when one of the debaters has got stuff wrong.

Think of the name John-Ivan-Ian-Jan.

All sort of the same name the J in Jan becomes the I in Ian, so the J is (sort of) pronounced as Ee in Ian.

You 'say' that as if it's a bad thing .

'Seem' and 'getting along' do not equal 'trust'

The "Europeans" can stop virtue signaling and start matching the US cent by cent in their support of Ukraine.

What and extend the bloodshed even more? Why not reduce the US support to zero and the European support to zero . The war would be over lickity split. Some cabal/one wants to keep the war going. Arms manufacturers?

Not that anybody seems to have done the sums. The Europeans are spendnig quite a bit.

Not fighting off the initial invasion would have averted a whole of bloodshed. Doing that did kill off a lot of Russians.

Probably not. The Ukraine has a long tradition of guerrilla warfare.

Ukranian citizens who don't like their neighbours getting killed when the Russians shell and bomb civilian targets?

Had Russia managed to take over Ukraine in the first few days, as they had planned and expected to, they would now be starting to digest the next country. It's in their game plan and Putin has never made it a secret that he longs for the resurrection of the USSR. Ukraine is merely step one in attaining that goal.

The bloodshed would not stop. It would just be lambs to the slaughter.

Oh and remind me to repeat what you said when your country get into trouble.

Selling to Britain. It was a commercial transaction. Even lease lend supplies were supposed to be returned at a latter date, or replaced if destroyed.

True it would not stop immediately but it would cease a LOT quicker than this endless cycle of supply Ukranians with tanks, munitions, weapon systems and let lots of Ukranians(and Russians) die. After all we can supply more T, M ,WS and let more Ukranians(and Russians) die

We have been invaded by a foreign power more times than enough with MANY many people killed or displaced. Where was any country, 1500 miles away, when the highlands were being cleared?

To be fair, the traffic went both ways. How many times did Berwick change hands?

That wasn't an invasion. The clearances were mainly conducted by the clan chieftains and land owners themselves. (Not personally, of course. Their factors hired local thugs to do the dirty work.)

To be fair, the traffic went both ways. How many times did Berwick change hands?

That wasn't an invasion. The clearances were mainly conducted by the clan chieftains and land owners themselves. (Not personally, of course. Their factors hired local thugs to do the dirty work.)

And why did we not sell to Japan and Germany? Hmmm.

We lost a lot of lives (merchant marines) taking undeclared sides. We were suppose to be neutral, but under the table, we were not.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we did the right thing.

The Russians are losing. The war is slowly grinding to its end. It is not endless.

And the bloodshed, although atrocious, will be nothing like the 200 million murdered in the Soviet terror famine of Ukraine. (The one covered up by American Pravda.)

In Vietnam, the appeasers wanted to dump the Vietnamese under the bus to stop the killing. The hundreds of thousands killed the fighting was dwarfed by the 10 to 20 million deaths caused by the appeasers in the name of stopping the killing.

So you are right, the killing would eventually stop. The numbers would be horrifying.

Ukraine has ever right to fight for their freedom. And every right to ask for help. American would not exist today if not for France's help.

This says 3 to 5 millions: