OT: If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Funny how the USA always perceives Russians as villains in films. I bet the Russians do the same with you guys.

The difference is you wimps needed NATO to help you win the cold war.

Glad to see you spelt it right.

True and it was triggered by Putin wanting his land bridge to Crimea.

Instead he got two more members on his door step.

Swift? How long has Ukrainians and Russians been at war now? 14 years now? And Ukraine could not get membership in NATO because they had territory in dispute.

Putin knew this, so the NATO thing is a little thin especially since NATO clearly had no desire whatsoever to invade Russia. Me thinks it was more about the land bridge and Putin's ego.

Before the Russian attacks had completely stalled and they'd started to lose territory that they had captured.

Sadly, the current Russian regime isn't remotely civilised. Getting rid of them is a necessary part of any long-term peaceful solution, and they have tried to kill quite a few people who were in favour of peaceful regime change.

And Putin needs to be sent there as soon as possible.

If the USA had sat out WW2 Russia would still have defeated Germany. US aid did help the Russians but wasn't game changing.

A lot more of Europe would have been controlled by Russia, and the US would have ended up with a lot less influence and no atom bomb. <snipped what is presumably equally ill-informed nonsense about US domestic polkitics>

He was voted out by the legislature, and fled to avoid prosecution for his use of excessive force. He had to go, or defend his actions.

Ukraine had elections and voted in a replacement. Putin spoke of respecting the 'choice of the Ukrainian people'. Is Putin a 'globalist'?

It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch

"Weil der Luftraum über der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen üblich im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren."

Der Ukraine und Kiew.

The W substitution is obvious but I don't know about the terminal 'j'.

There wont be, though. Kissinger is well past his sell by date.

There is nothing magic about a challenger 2

The war is progressing. Ukraine is gaining ground. Russia are losing materiel and manpower.

Russian propagandists of all flavours are claiming that Russia must end up with something for its pain.

Anyone who has followed the war closely at all levels knows that nothing Russia says or promises is worth jack s*it.

Anyone who has dealt with a psycopath knows that they do not follow reasonable standards of behaviour. As soon as you give an inch, they will demand the whole nine yards.

Russia is a psycopath. There can be no 'negotiated peace'.. Only complete defeat at a military level and the threat of invasion.

Peaceniks are scared Russia would use the nuclear option. Russia knows that if they did, NATO would be in Moscow within a week.

There will be no peace treaty. Only Russia wants one, because it is being destroyed.

Which is exactly right, and shows why Russia can never be considered either civilised or sensible.

That would be down to negotiation, after all that is one of the things they want. Remember they already annexed the Crimea, admittedly they have stopped the ethnic Russians from fighting the Ukrainians there, but at what cost? Its always the same when more than one country were joined as in USSR and some people from one side joined the other side and peace was kept by the strong leader, but the old problems still exist of settlements in each others land. They have been fighting over this in the Middle East for years, after all. Brian

That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.

They already gave up Crimea the last time Russia invaded. That is more than enough. They can't keep giving up land each time Russia invades - it becomes a no-loss scenario for Russia then.

And what good would that do them there would be no New York or London or indeed most cities , or even a Moscow to be in if it all went KABLOOIE, MAD still exists.

I lived through the Cuban missile crisis (admittedly considering my age I was probably more concerned about biscuits) and the cold war. "When the wind blows" and "Threads" and ... .I don't mind admitting the thought of all out Nuclear war(is there any other kind?) scares the **** out of me (especially living so close to Rosyth[1], and maybe 80 miles from Faslane[2].).

That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany declaring war on them.

Along with the fact that the Boston Tea Party was prompted by the British government *reducing* the tax on tea. The tea smugglers got quite unhappy at that.

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory illegally annexed in 2014.

Ukraine, and the rest of the world, will never trust Russia ever again.