OT: excess cost in US health care

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Only in James Arthur's fantasy universe. Back in the real world, quantitati ve easing is a consequence of the Global Financial Crisis, otherwise known as the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis, which happened while Dubbya was president .

Who else is going to?

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Of course, the current American system means that if your parents can affor d to keep you in college for long enough you'll have a chance to put in tho se long hours at a job that pays twenty times as much per hour as the jobs on offer to somebody who couldn't afford the expensive education.

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Don't knock the book - he wrote it, and it sold. Few can manage the first b it, and few of them the second. And his enthusiasm for re-distributing the fruits of everybody's labour is much the same as every other politicians. H e isn't as keen on redistributing it to your favourite recipients as you'd like, but few are.

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In general the people who want to see better social security and better fre e education wouldn't count what they could expect to get out of it as an "a ccumulation of monetary wealth".

Not strictly true. No US politicians since FDR has proposed confiscatory ta x levels, and the - limited - redistribution that might be being proposed i s mainly aimed at giving people a chance at a decent life who have got very little chance at one under the present US system.

Scandinavia and Germany offer much higher social mobility than the Us does, and that's mostly down to better welfare payments and better state-subsidi sed education.There's nothing in the German or Scandinavian system that sto ps a bright rich kid from getting to the top, though it's less easy for the rich parents of a not-so-bright rich kid (Dubbya comes to mind) to get the ir child into the German equivalent of Harvard.

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That's the core that you see. Your vision is - to put it kindly - selective .

Atul Gawande listed at least one example of Obamacare working to make healt h care more efficient, and you damned it as being a carry-over from the ear lier system that Obamacare had made less effective - while not bothering to find any examples from the pre-Obamacare system.

None of which seem to include you. How unfortunate.

Thus supporting the previous system which is half again more expensive per head than the international competition.

I don't recall Obamacare as being enacted by stealth. You complained bitter ly about it at the time, and haven't stopped complaining since. So far your predicted disasters haven't happened, despite the best efforts of the Tea Party.

The Affordable Care Act didn't get to be a thousand pages long by Obama dic tating every last clause - IIRR there was the usual congressional compromis e, and the health insurance industry had a large input.

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Wow, any 'other' lasting effets? A girl a year ahead of me in school ended up with the classic shriveled leg [Piper Laurie in "The Hustler" type limp)

I was 5 at the time and remember the sickest feeling I've ever had in my life. I used to crawl under furniture just to get into a calming darker and cooler place. As far as I know, no residual effects. ...except sometimes I still have a propensity for darker and cooler compared to large crowds ;)

However, very interesting your description of left hand seizures, I recently mentioned [last year?] that I watch things slide out of my left hand now, having lost grip without knowledge. Maybe that's what it is. But at least no pain.

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A sort of Spock salute, except it's my thumb and forefinger locked together, a gap, then the other three fingers locked up... frozen, immobile again for about 30 seconds.,, and _very_ painful.

I avoid crowds and noisy places, though I never associated it with Polio. Somewhere around here I have a book about Post Polio Syndrome.

The odd thing is that I have my strongest grip in my left hand. ...Jim Thompson

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Cost also matters. Right now I must pay $1200 each for two good quality (Brux-something) crowns, plus $850 for a root canal on one tooth that's already done now. Dental costs are spiraling up just like other med stuff.

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Exactly. Wall Street rules Washington. Huge amounts of energy go into the big New York Casino, and huge multinationals that pay tiny taxes, while tax policy kills jobs. Productive jobs are the real antidote to inequality.

The Fed is riding on the back of a very angry tiger. When interest rates rise to sensible levels, the stock market will crash and the government won't be able to afford the interest on its debt.

Macroeconomics at its best!

I'm upset because he's brewing another big economic disaster, worse than Clinton's. I'll be OK, but a lot of other people won't.

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If John Larkin had a brain in his head, he'd have noticed the quantitative easing was a reaction to the global financial crisis, not to any government over-spending.

The stock market sinks a bit whenever the Fed suggests that it might be cut ting back on quantitative easing. The condition for that to happen is that the US economy gets to be running close to full capacity, which is unlikely to be associated with a stock market crash.

More like James Arthur style flat-earth economics at second hand. John Lark in doesn't know much about economics and James Arthur knows a lot - though most of what James Arthur knows has little connection to the real world, an d seems to have been installed in some undergraduate re-education camp, bac k when Monetarism was more fashionable amongst right-wing economists.

Funny that John Larkin identifies Clinton as the author of the last big eco nomic disaster - the global financial crisis, aka the sub-prime mortgage cr isis, which emerged at the end of Dubbya's second term.

What ever it was that Clinton had done to create that crisis - and James Ar thur assures us that the Democrats were responsible, rather than the Republ icans, as you'd expect - Dubbya had had six or seven years to detect the in cipient problem and do something about it.

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I will bypass "mechanism" as that covers too wide of a field.

Suffice to say that the patient's cost of a tube (of a few ounces) of a special prescribed cream increased by a factor of 5.5 the (brand name); "generic" only 50 dollars less. Oh yes.....the tube contents went down to 80 percent of original. Pay (outrageously) more for less....

And that was only ONE sample case...

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Robert Baer

  • I have found it impossible to ave/ create an HSA (plan).

One thing I have is a trust fund created by my self and "manage" it for reasonable value gains. Another, an LTC insurance plan. A few other plans also.

Purpose: to fund medical needs as situations arise.

The State wants to penalize me by calling them an asset even tho my present income does not support me in mundane things like food,power,etc.

They would rather i piss away ALL of my assets (oxyMORON "spendthrift") and become a ward of the state ("nanny". And you wonder why states have so little money..

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Huh? I found it to be very easy.

What is LTC? I only know that acronym for Linear Technology Corporation :-)

And they want to pilfer from it as much as they can.

That's what nanny states and socialists always want. Because then they can control everyone and everything.

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...but I'm betting he means Long Term Care. ;-)

Then again, if you can pay for services, why should you be able to steal other's work to pay your way?

Socialists want everyone to be beholding to them, not just those who need medical care and can afford it.

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But it happens to be importnat.

That's an example of the prolbem you are complaining about. It doesn't demonstrate any connection between the price rise and the Affordable Care Act.

You were asked to put up or shut up, and you've done neither.

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