Your original post shows no numbers just the quote of some idiot politician.
There are plenty of fancy charts and graphs showing climate change/co2 from the industrial age onwards, and plenty of evidences showing positive correlations between atmospheric CO2 and warm climates, and empirical experimental proof showing that CO2 can trap heat.
It is on line and easily available. But the real question is why this crusade you seem to be immersed in? Why do you care? Why do you post to electronics news groups?
Do you really think engineers are going to be swayed by factless emotional appeals?
WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA? WHAT'S IN THIS FOR YOU? WHY DO YOU CARE?
Prompted by some evidence showing that shortly after 911 there was a spike in global temperatures that was attributed to the decrease in high altitude vapor trails.
I wasn't "proving" anything, only observing an amusement.
No. Only falsified data (proven by the "climate scientists" own E-mails).
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It's not me who relies on "factless".
Ever hear of the Maunder Minimum?
I have no agenda. I just like to tweak village idiots and watch them go ballistic >:-}
Why do you hide behind anonymity? Afraid to identify yourself? Don't want co-workers telling what a menial person you really are ?>:-} ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Zitat: "The Maunder Minimum (also known as the prolonged sunspot minimum) is the name used for the period starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715 when sunspots became exceedingly rare, as noted by solar observers of the time." Zitat Ende.
BS > Jim's stupidities are boringly repetitive, BS > and Larkin is little better. G > Yours is the superior intellect. Not! BS > I'm deeply hurt. I'd been even more deeply BS > hurt if Greegor were equipped to recognise BS > any kind of intellect - superior or otherwise. G > If your ego depends on usenet, Slowman, you are in very sad shape indeed. BS > I certainly would be if it did. BS > This does raise the question of why BS > you post here. I eagerly await your explanation of such logic. BS > You don't have anything constructive to say, When you preach socialism you think that's constructive. BS > and spend most of your time decrying "socialism" BS > - by which you seem to think equates with BS > communism - as if it was some kind of BS > soul-destroying heresy. I haven't said that it EQUATES, per se, though I would argue that you aren't going to get away from some stigma related to various regimes that called themselves socialist. USSR, NSDP(NAZI), Cuba, etc. When was the last time I even posted "communism"? But while we're at it, do YOU believe that communism "is some kind of soul-destroying heresy"? (What religion would it be heretical from?) BS > Of course, if Greegor did choose to BS > endorse me, I'd be seriously worried BS > - if a feral animal does start acting BS > friendly, it's almost always because BS > it wants to get close enough to steal something. G > Before even remotely considering a hint that G > your opponent is a thief, without basis, you G > would do well to review the definition of G > thievery in light of the modus operandi of socialism. BS > Weird thinking. Do you have Aspergers? I'm "neurotypical". BS > You are presumably happy to pay taxes BS > for universal education, defence, BS > law enforcement and the road network, BS > but if the concept is extended to BS > paying welfare to make the work force BS > healthier and more productive - as it BS > is in Scandinavia and Germany - the BS > extra tax extracted to pay for this BS > investment is "stolen" money. There is a big difference between the minimal government you cited and the ever-expanding government that attempts to PARENT every citizen, intrude into the very American individuality and individual rights. Our system has gotten away from it's responsibility to safeguard individual rights and become the single biggest threat to individual rights. All you see is your beloved gradual socialism. I see the jackboot of STATE authority over the individual. In the USA, every citizen is a sovereign KING. I don't expect you to fully understand that. BS > Ideologically acceptable taxation is fine, BS > but taxing for stuff you don't like is theft. You love gradual socialism. I detest it. You cite other countries with partial socialism. But you also attempt to escape the other socialist experiments that went tragically wrong. In fact, relative to HEALTHCARE alone, you attempt to dance away from socialist experiments that just look idiotic, like Canada or the UK. I don't know if you actually have Aspergers or not, but consider their modality for a moment. An Aspie can be VERY good at academia, can seem VERY intelligent at some things, academia, book learning, peer reviewed research, people like Noam Chomsky, linguistics. But an Aspie is by definition a sociopath. They do not understand PEOPLE. Aspies promote impractical ideas because they lack common sense. Aspies are sometimes referred to as idiot/savants. I think you are what common people would call an educated asshole. It's like a guy who never ran any kind of business, never worked as a governor of a state, yet came along with BIG IDEAS that were horribly impractical about health care and insurance. And got elected. Somebody with common sense would not think that they could force an insurance company to cover EVERYTHING for everybody with no limits, and regardless of any pre-existing condition and think that the insurance rate would go down. That was idiotic. Promising a lower rate while specifying everything that makes insurance expensive was a lie. Promising that everybody could keep their old insurance if they like it, yet outlawing almost every old policy was a lie. I question why banks need to get 200% on top of a homes cash price, but I consider that if I were in their spot would I be happy with taking the risk for the money. I would think somebody would take the little risk for less than 200% gross profit on the sale. If YOU were the insurance company and somebody says we're going to require you to cover everything for everybody, with no limits, and without preventing people with pre-existing conditions, YOU would definately have to charge more. The "progressives" and the socialists are like Aspies in that their idea of how to pay the bills is childlike. They scapegoated people with "Cadillac" health care plans, they frequently scapegoat anybody with money. It's like an adult version of "Lord Of The Flies". Or Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. People with an "autistic" level of understanding attempting to "run the show". In the end, the new revelations show that the people in charge just plain LIED. But Karl Marx rationalized such deception didn't he? Please keep trying to impress people with your genius on this matter, Slowman.
Did you get that... "Has nothing to do with the topic." More bloviation and deviation (or is it deviants ?:-) away from the topic when questioned.
Worthless leftist trash we have lurking here, spouting nonsense and hiding under anonymity/pseudonym.
Peter will now surely claim that the flatline temperatures for, what is it, fifteen years, are meaningless, and we're doomed by CO2.
What we need is a good war... to legally kill off the riffraff >:-} ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
And what? You claim to have the education in climatology to dispute the scientists engaged in spreading their vile doomsday scenario, so instead of posting to a climatology forum, where such effort would be regarded as peer review, you post to electronics.
Not disputing your education in electronics, mind you, just your choice of a forum for climatology.
That's what gives me pause. That suggests some hidden agenda.
Like the site you cite?
Yup. So your premise is that solar radiation either completely explains global warming or was the trigger. What do we have, 50 years of relatively good data, and another 300 years of other data, and that's game-set-and-match for you.
Aha, so you see yourself as the big manipulator? Arrogant and narcissistic wouldn't you say? The quiet puppeteer staying out of the limelight pulling the strings to watch the puppets dance so he can feel superior....
That's what floats your ego? A questionable achievement to my way of thinking.
I worked for the NSA. That and an ex wife that doesn't understand that a divorce decree is a way of saying "I never want to have anything to do with you, ever."
They fell, of course. They fell 400 years ago. Not today. And not in the next 100 years, because that´s the time such a minimum needs to arise.
Simulations have been made for a case, that such a Minimum would arise today or in the near future. In this case such a minimum would cause a temperature 0.3° less.
Obviously JT had thrown a term in the round without knowing what he is speaking about.
You appear to have a reading comprehension problem... I said, "I wasn't "proving" anything, only observing an amusement."
I didn't cite the site for facts, You appear to have a reading comprehension problem... I said, "I wasn't "proving" anything, only observing an amusement."
I believe in history. You apparently know none.
You appear to have a reading comprehension problem... I said, "I wasn't "proving" anything, only observing an amusement." and "I just like to tweak village idiots and watch them go ballistic >:-}
Aha! Ducking the alimony and child support? Figures! White trash village idiot!
Don't bother responding, I won't see it. ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
It's obvious enough. You are curious about my motives for posting stuff her e, and I'm equally curious about yours.
Granting the silly idea about "socialism" posted here - you've given a coup le of examples later in your response - there's room for constructive comme nt. I was thinking about the occasional constructive comment about electron ic circuit design - most of the more frequent posters here do this (me incl uded). You don't seem to.
n't going to get away from some stigma related to various regimes that call ed themselves socialist. USSR, NSDP(NAZI), Cuba, etc.
Guilt by vague association. The countries that practice the kind of sociali sm that I endorse are all representative democracies. Since most of them us e proportional representation to elect their representatives, they end up b eing a good deal more representative than countries like the US and the UK, which use first-past-the-post voting systems to elect single members for l ocal electorates, squeezing out minority parties and facilitating gerrymand ering.
You've implied it more or less nonstop.
l-destroying heresy"? (What religion would it be heretical from?).
Historically speaking, communism is heretical branch of socialism, ejected from the mainstream around 1870, for endorsing "the leading role of the par ty" which is to say, it was advocating oligarchic rather than democratic go vernment.
The practical consequences of communism may not have destroyed any souls, b ut they sure killed off a lot people, and made a lot more decidedly unhappy . BS > Of course, if Greegor did choose to endorse me, I'd be seriously worri ed BS > - if a feral animal does start acting friendly, it's almost always BS > because it wants to get close enough to steal something.
No. I'm not particularly outgoing, but I certainly don't lack non-verbal co mmunications skills, and I'm not too physically clumsy to play field hockey (which I did for over fifty years).
e ever-expanding government that attempts to PARENT every citizen, intrude into the very American individuality and individual rights. Our system ha s gotten away from it's responsibility to safeguard individual rights and become the single biggest threat to individual rights.
Rubbish. Adequate welfare payments don't "parent" anybody, and there's noth ing "ever-expanding" about collecting enough taxes to pay for a welfare sys tem that is sufficiently well-funded to deliver a healthy and well-educated work force.
The US government isn't "minimal", and the only individual rights it cares about are those of the top 1% of the income distribution, to continue to co llect the lions share of any growth in the US economy. At present the US sp ends a ridiculously large amount of money on what is loosely called "defenc e" but in practice is largely "corporate welfare" paying for weapons system s developments that aren't needed and rarely get completed.
It's not exactly obvious in Scandinavia and Germany. The Germans - in parti cular - have unhappy memories of the time their country was run by people w ho wore jackboots and get very shirty about civil servants who try to asser t too much authority.
If they are members of the top 1% of the income distribution. The rest are economic serfs, struggling along with essentially the same inflation adjust ed income they had back in 1980, while education and health care get progre ssively more expensive.
I fully understand that you are the kind of deluded idiot who could believe such a fatuous lie. Meanwhile, you should wonder whether the police could get a warrant to break down a king's front door.
You might detest it less if you had some idea of the way it worked. You'd b e hard pressed to find the jackboot of state authority in Germany or Scandi navia.
escape the other socialist experiments that went tragically wrong.
There are plenty of capitalist experiments that have gone tragically wrong. The US doesn't deliver great education or health care to all of it's citiz ens - it does nowhere near as well as other advanced industrial countries.
ialist experiments that just look idiotic, like Canada or the UK.
The UK offers adequate health care for every UK citizen at half the price p er head of the US system.
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ranks the US 38th on the quality of care, and first on cost.
The UK is 18th on quality of care and 26th on cost. Canada is 30th on quali ty and 10th on cost and Australia is 32nd on quality and 17th on cost
I personally think that the UK system is a little too cheapskate, and would advocate the Dutch, German and French systems, which are more expensive - at ninth, third and fourth on cost rankings.
ance company to cover EVERYTHING for everybody with no limits, and regardle ss of any pre-existing condition and think that the insurance rate would go down.
Why not? that's exactly how the national health insurance schemes work in t he UK, Germany, France and the Netherlands, and the most expensive of them cost about two thirds of what the US system costs, per head.
Scarcely. Maybe Obama knew a bit more about the rest of the world than you do (which wouldn't be difficult).
xpensive was a lie.
Have you ever thought about what makes US health insurance so expensive? So me Canadian economists did, and their answer was vastly inflated administra tive costs. There's a lot of at in your system - as in pork barrels - and i t's being bled off to make the top 1% of your income distribution even more well off.
yet outlawing almost every old policy was a lie.
Maybe he assumed that nobody would like a policy that didn't cover pre-exis ting conditions, or allowed to insurers to dump customers when they got sic k.
e you to cover everything for everybody, with no limits, and without preven ting people with pre-existing conditions, YOU would definitely have to char ge more.
If I hadn't been being exceptionally greedy before, and US health insurance is a lot more expensive than it's French, German and Dutch equivalents.
of how to pay the bills is childlike.
You really don't know anything about Asperger's Syndrome do you. It seems t o be rare - at 26 per 100,000, so you've almost certainly never met anybody with the disease - I certainly haven't.
scapegoat anybody with money.
You don't know what "scapegoat" means either.
Since you seem to be worshipping an entity you don't understand, and reject ing perfectly sensible social policies on the basis of irrational misappreh ensions, it's you that looks like one of the deluded children in William Go lding's book.
Karl Marx did endorse "the leading role of the party". His economic insight s were ground-breaking, but his political insights were less impressive.
man.
I don't need genius to outshine you - mere familiarity with the facts is en ough to establish intellectual superiority, though in this context it's you r intellectual inferiority - actually inadequacy, but let's be kind - which is made obvious.
The Aspergers Syndrome which you want to ascribe to me is a rare condition. The stupidity and ignorance which you are exhibiting is all too common - h alf the population has below average intelligence.
What makes you think that any of them are "substantial"? Quote some numbers .
The methane being emitted from the tundra is being looked at, but it's not easy to measure. Volcanoes do emit CO2, but not enough to be worth worrying about - you need something like the Deccan Traps eruption, some 65 million years ago, to make a significant difference. Reduction of plankton might m ake a difference, but how do you measure it? Scientists have an aversion to guesswork.
Forest fires in Indonesia aren't unique. Even the US has them. Why are we e xpected to take the Indonesian one's more seriously?
rom the industrial age onwards, and plenty of evidences showing positive co rrelations between atmospheric CO2 and warm climates, and empirical experim ental proof showing that CO2 can trap heat.
The scandal that Jim clearly has in mind - though he equally clearly doesn' t have clue what it was about - was written up in Fred Pearce's book "The C limate Files"
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Fred Pearce is a journalist, not a scientist, and couldn't understand why t he scientist exchanging the e-mails had gotten seriously upset about the wa y a bad paper had been smuggled into a scientific journal, even though the entire editorial board eventually resigned in consequence. None the less, h e was perfectly convinced that there wasn't any evidence of fraud in the re st of the literature.
rusade you seem to be immersed in? Why do you care? Why do you post to el ectronics news groups?
al appeals?
Sadly, it is.
Sun spots don't explain the current anthropogenic global warming, and the M aunder Minimum didn't cause the "Little Ice Age", though the marginal decli ne in solar output at the time may have made it a bit colder. Denialist web
-site put up this kind of pseudo-science and ignorant suckers like Jim fall for it.
ballistic >:-}
Jim's not an idiot, but he is remarkably ignorant. He regularly posts total nonsense, not realising that it's total nonsense. I've been characterising him as Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson for a few years now.
Interesting about that 'minimum' and miniiceage, because...
For the last few years, we've been going through the opposite! To my understanding the WORST sun activity in recorded history with some events as monumental as the largest solar flare in history [since man's been watching] blew off the sun last year, or a few years ago. Not even mentioned in the news. interesting. Guess laughing and a box of puppies are more important.
Even if they have an effect, and are occurring, it would make it *more* important and not less to reduce greenhouse emmisions.
But in fact they are all already known about and modelled, so the premise of the post is false anyway. Furthermore apart from 2) they have a positive feedback effect, making global warming more dangerous and liable to a tipping-point.
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