OT: Australia gets it right...

My comment was intended to castigate the tone of

's EMOTIONAL pitch.

This is the same tactic used by con men of all ilk. The idea is to have the "mark (you and I) "reacting" emotionally to what is being said, and not analyzing what is being said.

When humans are reacting emotionally they don't employ reason and don't think analytically. They are much less critical of what is said and tend to accept without questioning the facts.

If you wanted to make a point, to a logical objective thinking person, a more reasoned and less impassioned plea would make sense.

Religions, politicians, etc. (and yes "environmentalists") all do it because it is an effective way to manipulate the gullible masses.

Whenever I read things that are obviously intended to be manipulative by their choice of words, I know that someone is lying to me.

And he may well be right in his opinion (couldn't call it an "assessment") but it isn't because he knows what he's talking about, but he could be right in spite of his best efforts.

My personal opinion, not having studied the problem or having the education to do so, is that the predominant opinion of the relevant scientists is probably correct and global warming is real and more likely than not caused by man.

BUT BUT BUT I am equally of the opinion that whatever "solution" that is proposed will, more likely than not, turn out to be a redistribution in wealth from the older technologies to the newer ones, be used to effect some nefarious political end, and be too little and too late. I'm old enough so it doesn't matter to me personally, but does spiritually (I'm an atheist so morality is a personal thing)

I agree with you on one point - whatever the UN comes up with will be more political in nature and not practical and won't solve shit.

An off the wall, out of the box, unknown (today) technology stands a better chance of working - something like adding some chemical to jetliners that increases cloud cover, reducing population, etc..

So much for the sermon.

My personal opinion, having studied the problem and having the education to do so, is that the predominant opinion of the pretend scientists is incorrect and global warming is a fraud perpetrated by academia types who profit from the ongoing folderol. ...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

and therein lies the problem - human greed, great for a tribal society, certainly a good survival trait many years ago, but not the best trait for a limited world and large populations.

If you are swayed by an emotional appeal, and your cite would seem to indicate you are, you are easily manipulated.

That is not a good thing.

Face it - your post doesn't support your position. Mere folderol intended to sway the gullible; and it makes you look bad too. Cite some more rational empirical evidence if you want to make a point, not some idiot politician.

I certainly would be if it did.

This does raise the question of why you post here. You don't have anything constructive to say, and spend most of your time decrying "socialism" - by which you seem to think equates with communism - as if it was some kind of soul-destroying heresy.

thout basis, you would do well to review the definition of thievery in light of the modus operandi of socialism.

Weird thinking. You are presumably happy to pay taxes for universal educati on, defence, law enforcement and the road network, but if the concept is ex tended to paying welfare to make the work force healthier and more producti ve - as it is in Scandinavia and Germany - the extra tax extracted to pay f or this investment is "stolen" money.

Ideologically acceptable taxation is fine, but taxing for stuff you don't l ike is theft.

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e, and ostensibly ?green? cockamamie scheme the UN comes up with next."

dden agenda, doesn't it?

EMOTIONAL pitch.

ter chance of working - something like adding some chemical to jetliners th at increases cloud cover, reducing population, etc..

Magical thinking. He may be right, but nobody in their right mind would bet the planet on it.

to do so, is that the predominant opinion of the pretend scientists is inco rrect and global warming is a fraud perpetrated by academia types who profi t from the ongoing folderol.

I yet to see a shred of evidence that Jim has either studied the problem or has ever had the kind of education that would let him make sense of the ev idence. He did go to MIT and graduated, but his attention does seem to have been confined to electronics, which isn't a lot of help when you want to g et your head around "greenhouse warming". John Larkin has engaged his mind in the subject enough to claim that the concept of "pressure broadening" in infra-red spectra was insane (which doesn't say much for his grasp of quan tum theory) but Jim hasn't even got that far.

The fact that Jim endorses the "global warming is a fraud" conspiracy theor y - one of the more implausible conspiracy theories on offer - makes it all to clear that he's still as out of touch with reality as ever.

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Cut the shit. Run some energy numbers and come back and tell me _facts_! ...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

If you feel that strongly perhaps there's a more appropriate forum for your rants. Doubtless you could lock horns with someone above your own expertise in climatology. The question is, do you want to know the truth or do you want to cling to an opinion?

Whatza matter no grant money?

Cheers

n to do so, is that the predominant opinion of the pretend scientists is in correct and global warming is a fraud perpetrated academia types who profit from the ongoing folderol.

certainly a good survival trait many years ago, but not the best trait for a limited world and large populations.

indicate you are, you are easily manipulated.

ed to sway the gullible; and it makes you look bad too. Cite some more rat ional empirical evidence if you want to make a point, not some idiot politi cian.

I wonder which "energy numbers" Jim thinks he wants him to run?

Anthropogenic global warming doesn't involve any change in the Earth's ener gy balance - the planet still absorbs much the same amount of energy from t he sun, and re-radiates all that energy to the rest of the universe.

The effective temperature of the re-radiating surface stays at about -18C.

The interesting point is that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere lifts the e ffective radiating altitude for some wavelengths of light - all of them in the infra-red - so that the -18C layer in the atmosphere moves higher, and the surface temperature beneath it gets warmer.

This in turn raises the vapour pressure of water over the ocean surface - w hich, since H2O is also a greenhouse gas, raises the effective radiating al titude for some more wavelengths of light.

There's nothing fraudulent about that science, though digging out exactly w hat's going on, wavelength by wavelength, is a bit tedious. The interesting stuff starts when you try to work out how the higher ocean surface tempera tures are going to influence weather patterns and rainfall ...

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Am 13.11.2013 01:42, schrieb Jim Thompson:

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That? the normal reaction of JT, when his arguments are gone out. He´s an incorrigibble right-wing ignorant, obviously he doesn´t know the difference between Weather an climate.

Due to his narrow horizon he can discuss only like the industry ( or in other cases other wealthy american lobbyists like NRA)

Am 13.11.2013 04:55, schrieb Bill Sloman: ... REAL FACTS ...

Very good explanation. THX.

But he won´t understand it and will call you a lefty. Other facts don´t fit into his horizon.

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´s an incorrigible right-wing ignorant, obviously he doesn't know the difference between weather and climate.

other cases other wealthy american lobbyists like NRA).

It's a bit sad. He's not only bright enough to qualify for Mensa, but also bright enough to recognise there's not a lot of point in joining a society for people who's single claim to distinction is that they can score well on an IQ test.

Clive Sinclair wasn't that bright.

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Hey, that sounds just like what the "chemtrails" folks have been railing against!

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Peter, Show us some NUMBERS, not bloviations.

It's lefties who always resort to smug BS retorts to side-step the facts... not the right-wing.

Go climb in bed with Slowman >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In all the numbers that create greenhouse gasses why are substantial 'natural' sources left out?

1. methane boiling out of the melting tundra, etc
2. increased, sporadic volcanic activity
3. reduction of plankton [more an absorber, than a source]
4. Indonesia on fire, burning now for more than 10 years etc

Simple. It doesn't support their dogma.

Yep. One good volcano eruption and we're all dead.

Lefties seem to want us to feel continual pain prior to the final event.

Why aren't lefties concerned about the Argon... almost 27X that of CO2? They should be checking their kids every night and get concerned when they start glowing in the dark ;-)

Maybe it's the lefties' farts that are they main CO2 issue... they certainly do enough of it by mouth >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Am 13.11.2013 12:41, schrieb Peter:

JT: Peter, Show us some NUMBERS, not bloviations.

It's lefties who always resort to smug BS retorts to side-step the facts... not the right-wing.

Go climb in bed with Slowman >:-}

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It wasn´t hard to predict this.