One thousand years from now

I am already paying taxes being spent on Medicare and Medicaid, along with exorbitant health insurance premiums. Much of this huge amount of money I am already paying is going for treatment of lifestyle-related health problems affecting people other than myself.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

purposes

available=20

Not the race, but many individuals. Ever heard of Love Canal? Then there are some really bad accidents like Bhopal and Chernobyl. Plus the people who insist on living too close to Chernobyl are dying directly due to pollution.

years

is

illumination

other

If i thought you would learn a damn thing from that i might consider it. Too bad that instead of trying to gain any knowledge yourself, you disparage instead.

like

=20

Did you hear about the punishments of the people that substituted ethylene glycol for corn syrup in various food products (including baby food)?

In many ways about the same, the very poor get diddly. Though China is modestly better about education, including everyone having one common language.

Written Chinese is common, spoken Chinese is not.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Practically everyone on the mainland does speak Mandarin, if only as a second language or dialect, and perhaps with a heavy regional accent.

The modern form of the written language is the same everywhere on the mainland, give or take some regional idioms. Romanization is also standardized (on the mainland) using Pinyin.

(ancient and the more recent "traditional" characters, and alternative forms of romanization (eg. Wade-Giles) or phonetization by simple characters (eg. Bopomofo) still exist outside the mainland).

Do you or do you not OK with that?

Mostly wrong. Do not pay them and they will die of starvation. Partially correct when layers are required to help enforce or fight useless government-imposed rules and regulations.

Bullshit. People pays for them voluntarily.

Agreed.

Bullshit. People pays for their services voluntarily.

Bullshit.

Lots of academics.

Partially.

They do not do any work, useless or otherwise.

Who and how will decide the "basic needs" level?

Dismantle it.

Who and how will decide how much is enough?

The same thing will happen with any form of welfare - it will be abused. As long as one spends somebody else's money there is no good restraint.

Why do not we see this lkind of clinic aroud?

Good. You are absolutely free to spend YOUR money as YOU want, but do not tell ME what to do with MY money.

A couple hundred a year when I suddenly feel generous or believe in the specific case.

-- Andrew

by lending *bank's* money in the form of time deposits (like CD), owned by bank for the duration of the deposit, or bank's own funds.

Checking and saving accounts when you can take your money out at any time are not bank's money even temporary. For more detail refer to

.

Or for a good educational listening during traffic jams use

May open your eyes on the "specifics" of the modern banking.

Not if everyone else decided to do the same. You may get 10% of your funds if your are lucky. The rest of YOUR money is already lended to somebody else.

Irrelevant. What you owe, you owe. It does not (shall not) have any relation to you deposits.

--
Andrew

So one can play with sources satisfying his curiosity instead of doing productive work.

Sounds exactly like "working" under the socialism.

--
Andrew

I do not be the Secretary of da Treasury, so it doesn't matter what I do be OK with. I am perfectly willing to play the game by whatever rules are in force.

Most use of lawyers is involuntary, forced on us by lawmakers who are mostly lawyers.

Ones who fall for advertising, yes.

They are no longer productive and receive benefits derived from involuntary taxation of people wo do work.

See above.

We can afford some waste. Basic foods are insanely cheap in the developed world.

Because it makes too much sense?

Do I look like Nancy Pelosi?

John

Not the race, but many individuals. Ever heard of Love Canal? Then there are some really bad accidents like Bhopal and Chernobyl. Plus the people who insist on living too close to Chernobyl are dying directly due to pollution.

Many individual died for other causes not related to pollution. Mortality rate dropped on the last few thousand years and continues to drop. Where is the problem?

Hello?

= If i thought you would learn a damn thing from that i might consider = it. Too bad that instead of trying to gain any knowledge yourself, = you disparage instead.

:) Just be honest and say "I do not know either".

= Did you hear about the punishments of the people that substituted = ethylene glycol for corn syrup in various food products (including = baby food)?

Punishment for this type of action is consistent with economic freedom.

--
Andrew

Sure, as long as you understand what exactly these rules mean.

I will not argue numbers I do not have. Let's say some lawyers are useful and some are not.

Does not matter. As long as it's "free will" it's OK.

They do not do any work, useless or otherwise.

So?

Like person driving to the hop on $50K+ car to buy some food on foodstamps...

I do not know.

I would expect some kind of regulations either prohibiting it altogether or making it ompossible to implement.

Here is one example:

=== A New York City doctor whose low-cost health care plan angered state officials has agreed to increase his fees.

The state Insurance Department told Dr. John Muney (MOON'-ee) last month to end the $79-a-month medical service at his AMG Medical Group clinics in all five boroughs. Department spokesman Andy Mais says Muney was violating state law by basically operating as an insurance operator without a license. The monthly fee buys unlimited office visits, including certain tests and in-office surgeries.

Muney will charge $33 per visit for all but preventive care, which Mais says brings him in compliance. Muney's spokesman says he'll challenge the restrictions through legislation.

Muney, a former surgeon, started offering the $79-a-month plan in 2008.===

--
Andrew

It gets better and better...

====== ... his plan landed him in the crosshairs of the state Insurance Department, which ordered him to drop his fixed-rate plan - which it claims is equivalent to an insurance policy. ... The state believes his plan runs afoul of the law because it promises to cover unplanned procedures - like treating a sudden ear infection - under a fixed rate. That's something *only*a*licensed*insurance*company* can do. ... One of his patients, Matthew Robinson, 52, was furious to learn the state was interfering with the plan.

"The whole point is, he [Muney] found a way of paying his rent, paying his workers, and getting to see patients for the price," said Robinson.

"How can the state dictate you've got to charge more?"

======

Guess why medical care is so expensive?

--
Andrew

:)))))) Pathos~~~~

Define "voluntarily". To speak of the "free will", a person should have at least something like will :))))

VLV

FWIW ( and I only submit this as a reference point, not as advocacy ) the person who has written the most about this is Eric Raymond. His position is that charging economic rent for information is a doomed concept. I don't think he's come to a

*correct* conclusion ( it's not that simple ) but he has a point.

-- Les Cargill

Your logic is about as flawed as it gets.

• Main Entry: 1vol?un?tary * Pronunciation: \?va-l?n-?ter-e\ * Function: adjective * Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French voluntarie, from Latin voluntarius, from voluntas will, from velle to will, wish - more at will * Date: 14th century

1 : proceeding from the will or from one's own choice or consent 2 : unconstrained by interference : self-determining 3 : done by design or intention : intentional 4 : of, relating to, subject to, or regulated by the will 5 : having power of free choice 6 : provided or supported by voluntary action 7 : acting or done of one's own free will without valuable consideration or legal obligation

- vol?un?tar?i?ly adverb

- vol?un?tar?i?ness noun

voluntary implies freedom and spontaneity of choice or action without external compulsion

Everyone has "something like will".

--
Andrew

I was talking about employees using linux on their employer time.

If they do it on their own time, then you are right, and I could not care less.

--
Andrew

[...]

"Be as good as Jones" is compulsion. 10 commandments is compulsion. US constitution is compulsion. Driver's manual is compulsion. Continue?

Nope. Most people are just following the precepts of their favorite TV channels. Their actions are 100% pre-programmed.

Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

Or stuff other than nonsense that the employee senses is good for the world and is not profitably billable to the employee and that the employee senses is not intellectual property of the employer - such as software developed off-the-job at home.

Non-complaince with what? I have yet to be presented with any prospective employment contract, NDA or other contract outright prohibiting me from developing and giving away all software for every purpose that software is developed for.

Sometimes they do so out of their hearts for the good of the world, according to their personal religion (which may have low correlation with most more-citable religions). Often such people only give some of their goodies away for free, while having clients to bill or an employer to be paid by for other significant creativity and/or development.

- Don Klipstein (Jr) ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Well, the platform or OS certainly matters not when an employee is doing anything other than work related computing functions and tasks, like intra-organization correspondence. Work is work, and play is play. Some of our guys are at work till late in the evening, and get in early, so they have hour lunches, and workout sessions at the gym, and time for things like web browsing from their desk. It is counterproductive for you to waste time caring about it. You should set policy and expect it to be followed. That policy should not go so far as to ban such accesses. As that too is counterproductive, whether you believe it or not.

Invariably, such email set-ups end up getting used to pass around new baby pictures, or tortured kitty pics (just kidding), or some utube or political cartoon site link (thanks for that one hehehehe).

So a certain amount of daily wasted time in a computer-on-every-desktop corporate environment is actually budgeted into operating costs, and tracked for accuracy. Employees that waste too much time get "noticed".

It is kind of hard to look at several racks full $300k+ of gear each, and then say that it could have gone together faster without the computers, or with a mere set of blueprints.

Especially since all the docs are accessed via the PC. After the printed doc gets used to validate the build, they go to the shredder. In many cases the Display view is sufficient and nothing needs to be printed.