Music to delight even JL

Exactly. My suggestion is that such amusements are arbitrary and we should tolerate other peoples enthusiasms, or lack of same, as long as no great harm is done. Preference for music is no different from hot sauce on eggs.

Interesting. The only music that I am willing to listen to has its message in the words.

Have any experiments been done on babies and music?

Disabilities? It's just human variation.

What I find amusing/interesting is how subtle differences in a performance (or performer) can have such significant impact on the effect the music has on me.

E.g., The Beatles' "With a Little Help from My Friends" is a lilting little bit of fluff. OTOH, Cocker's rendition(s) elicit an intense, guttural response; I'm "drained" after hearing one.

Or, the extreme variation in "product" from a single artist. E.g., it's hard to imagine "Magdalena" and "Peaches en Regalia" as products of the same artist!

Contrast this with the "early" rock era where every song seemed to be a minor tweek of a previous "hit" (by the same artist). You could recognize a song -- even if you'd never heard it before! -- just by the style.

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** Massive self delusion.

People with disabilities, metal or physical self delude by denying the significance. This exactly is what JL is now doing.

But he had been ambiguous about not hearing musical sound normally. Not being able to distinguish moderate ( a few percent) pitch changes is common, about 4% have the condition called " Tone Deafness".

JL are you tone deaf ?

Or just being an asshole about it.

...... Phil

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** Of course. Most respond positively. But not the deaf. ** Irrational garbage .

Disabilities, by definition, lie outside normal variation. Nothing normal about being blind, deaf or f****ng stupid.

...... Phil

Not at all. My hearing is excellent.

I just dislike most music.

But that's not some sort of defect. Liking music has no inherent benefit to anyone. There are lots of other fun things to do, and many of them are healthier.

I think you are ascribing "defect" to something that is merely not your taste.

So your defect is intolerance.

Do they have preferences, before learning what's locally popular?

As defined by concensus among self-assigned normal people. Historically, the greatest contributors to culture and science were considered to be abnormal. It's basically a requirement.

And nothing evil.

A tiny fraction of performed music is still around a few decades later. I'm amazed by how much new music is constantly being generated to keep the FM stations and streaming services busy.

And how much of it sounds like a bug in the code of a drum machine.

John Larkin wrote: ================

** Then why can't you hear simple tunes ?

** Which is not an explanation.

** Of course it f****ng is.

People with disabilities, metal or physical self delude by denying the significance. This exactly is what JL is now doing.

People with disabilities, metal or physical self delude by denying the significance. This exactly is what JL is now doing.

People with disabilities, metal or physical self delude by denying the significance. This exactly is what JL is now doing.

** ROTFL

YOU are the one saying what 95% of people love is worthless. Wot an asshole, you are.

Fuck you !

..... Phil

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** The is a constant demand for new music that is relevant to today. You cannot keep on selling the same old stuff - no matter how well liked it was once.

Same goes for with cars, clothes, electronics ...

** Garbage, it is created to please listeners.

FM radio just parasites off it to sell stuff.

** Only to a mentally defective, f****ng asshole like JL

..... Phil

John Larkin wrote: =================

** Why don't you know ? ** Fucking garbage.

** Fucking garbage.

** Being "f****ng stupid" is evil. The other two are serious disadvantages.

Being an arrogant prick like JL is pure evil.

...... Phil

Let's get our terms straight. Amusia is "tone-deafness", tested as the inability to tell which of two tones played in sequence is higher-pitched than the other. In my experience, most (but not all) people who claim to be tone-deaf are merely untrained. A couple hours working with a piano convinces them that they can in fact distinguish pitches to a semitone. They don't go on to musical careers, but one friend got good enough to sing "Happy Birthday" to his wife.

Musical Anhedonia is the inability to _appreciate_ music.

Totally different thing with totally different consequences, one of which is that folks with it have been known to get really pissed off about it, as if they're the only one in a crowd who doesn't get the joke. I've never worked with one of those people, so I'm not going to speculate about whether it can be trained away.

This movie was about a musical anhedonist clashing with six guerilla musicians:

It's all farcical magical realism (music is so painful it makes the character's ears bleed) but it does underline how annoying music can be to some people.

-Jim M.

** The figure I see everywhere is 4% of folk are genuinely "tone deaf". Hearing small pitch changes does not require any "training".

** Hmmm - you just describe JL to perfection.

I note the Wiki mentions a link between the brain defect that causes Autism with this defect.

JL is grossly autistic too.

And an asshole.

..... Phil

I hear them. I just don't like many of them.

Is there any music that you don't like?

Billy Joel?

You're Having My Baby?

John Larkin wrote: ================

** Then why say this about the vid I linked in the OP?

" Sorry, it's just annoying sounds to me."

Everyone else heard a definite tune. Many would have been able to name it too.

Were you just being an asshole again ?

....... Phil

You can keep selling the same old electronics to guitarists, recording studio-jockeys, and audiophiles.

Many seem to prefer it that way

bitrex wrote: ============ >>

** Fucking BULLSHIT you can.

New, more advanced versions and CHEAPER versions replace the old ones every year or so.

...... Phil

Gee, we still have christmas carols! Mack the Knife is 60 years old. Little Green Bag is 50. Almost all of The Beatles' tunes are at least 50. The Stones closer to 60. Dreadful Grapes essentially their contemporaries. I.e., ALL of the 60's music is > 50 years old -- and I suspect you can find a huge portion of it ON THE AIR, today.

Then there are remakes and homages which effectively renew interest in an older product.

Eroica is ~200+ years old. Most classical music falling into that same category -- and still being *performed*, today.

Don't confuse mass-marketed "pop" music as being representative of all.

And, regardless of how it enters the population -- or how "good" it may (or may not) be -- that's not a predictor of how long it will persist in their memory.

I suspect most folks had never heard Minnie the Moocher before it was ressurected on The Big Screen! Ditto Cuban Pete, Hi De Ho, Hey Pachuco, etc. Yet, they have an inherent quality that renews their appeal each time they are heard (or resurface).

Then listen to something else! Sheesh! No one is *forcing* you to listen to Myron Florin...

If you develop critical listening skills, you'll be able to understand the types of music that you are likely to enjoy and not enjoy. Aside from some notable exceptions (e.g., Theme from Rawhide), I have slightly less than zero interest in country *or* western music. And, I see no real

*music* value in most Rap (poetry set to a beat?)

And, I simply can't hear Wagner or The Barber of Seville without imagining Elmer and Bugs!

I've noticed that I find lots of nonstandard time (4:4) music having a more complex rhythm that is more satisfying.

But, you only develop this sort of appreciation (for your own PERSONAL tastes) from exposure. I.e., you'd likely not know if you like lobster until you've tasted it!

I keep ~100GB of MP3s on each of my portable media players and let *them* pick what I'm going to hear next. So, I keep stirring the pot and don't settle on some small subset of "preferred" tunes.

This one pops up from time to time -- and always brings a smile to my face (as well as a sing-along):

IIRC, it was a 45 that came stapled to a bag of potato chips (!) we bought ~55 years ago. Another was:

a remake of Bobby Darin's tune.

(amusingly, I can recall the melody and lyrics for these all these years later!)

Of course, it rolls most folks' eyes... OTOH, one has to wonder how they came up with the tune, arrangement, "lyrics", etc.!