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I don't know how I'd even do that if I wanted to. ...and there is *no* reason to do such a thing.

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The downside of any "via print" process is that it obviously strips much of the interactive and payload stuff out of the document. E.g., all the hotlinks go away, any attachments, etc. are at risk.

I *think* programs like _PDF Unlocker_ will preserve this information (I haven't verified it, though).

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Don Y

I seem to recall the last time I tried to download a few PDF tools like CutePDF they were infested with Adware. No?

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rickman

I seem to recall that the Adobe tools won't allow you to print a PDF to a PDF at all. I thought PDFWriter was an old Adobe tool, no?

Who said it was a picture to begin with?

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rickman

That doesn't change the fact that your problem is your computer.

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rickman

If you prefer to trust Uncle Billy Goates, print to "XPS Writer". Then, open the XPS document (in the free MS XPS Viewer) and "File | Save As" a PDF.

You can also use the windows port of GS with a bit more hand-waving...

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Don Y

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"YOU MAY NOT USE THIS SERVICE FOR ILLEGAL PURPOSES"

I'm not real keen on letting some third party know which "locked documents" I am trying to access...

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Don Y

I'm using a 40" 4K (well, UHD 3840x2160) TV for doing CAD. It's great - I can have a CAD app open, plus a datasheet, plus a browser window, plus a terminal, all on the same screen. It's like 2x2 of full-HD monitors without the bezels. CAD apps are often terrible for not doing zoom properly - they do it in chunks, and if you zoom out one chunk the fine grid disappears - really awkward when you're trying to align things. At 40" UHD the pixel density is about the same as the 30" 2560x1600 I had previously, just with more real estate - which makes seeing the detail so much easier.

UHD TVs are about $500/GBP500 now, so if you do have to spend anything on kit I recommend having a look.

Downsides are: this particular TV only does HDMI 2.0 so I'm currently running it at 30Hz 4:2:2 chroma over a HDMI 1.4 link - that makes the colour rendering a bit fuzzy. I don't care about 30Hz as I don't play games or watch videos on it. I'm hoping better GPUs will turn up later in the year to drive it properly. Some of the other models (eg there's a 39" Seiki for $339 on Amazon US) have Displayport which works better with some graphics cards. And don't forgot to budget for a GPU if yours can't cope.

Theo

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Theo Markettos

Print screen, and save the image is better than nothing. If you do it at high magnification you can use a scan to text tool to extract the text to make it searchable.

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Michael A. Terrell

"A few PDF tools" might be, but not CutePDF. IIRC it offers extra stuff for you to optionally install - just say no. You only need ghostscript and the CutePDF print driver. It's really a very small piece of shim software.

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Clifford Heath

That's quite a lot of work on a large (some datasheets are 8K pages and 1K isn't at all unusual) document. Large documents need to be searchable far more than those a few pages long.

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krw

No, it's between your ears.

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krw

But the top of that has got to be ~24 inches off your worksurface? I'm fidgetty about the ~18" that I'm thinking of adopting... I don't like looking up. (My seat is already about as high as my leg length will tolerate, comfortably)

How far from your nose to the display? Up/down and left/center/right?

The problem I see with "more dots" is putting them somewhere that you can (comfortably) *see* them!

I'm not worried about the cost -- I can always find a home for the current monitors, etc. I'm just not sure how useful it will be given my "vision capabilities".

I don't use my machines for "entertainment". Though I do use them for "print-ready" artwork (I have my monitors/printers/scanners all color calibrated so I know what to expect from the print bureau).

I'll have to think about this. Maybe I'll drag one of the LCD TV's into the office and set it in "mock" place just to see what it would be like...

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Don Y

Seriously consider super-resolution monitors e.g. 2560 by 1440 pixels and higher. I am experimenting with one and i like it.

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josephkk

I don't think there is anything illegal about bypassing the locks on copying text to the paste buffer in a PDF. The web site makes this pretty clear. They won't unlock a password protected document which would be illegal in the US under the DCMA I believe.

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rickman

You'll be thrilled to know that the industry is (as usual) going in the wrong direction. Instead of adding more vertical dots, it's adding more of them horizontally.

29" diagonal, 2560x1080 dots. 21:9 $380 at Best Buy. I guess for long and thin schematics, it might make some sense. If you have limited desk space, it's not a great idea.
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Jeff Liebermann

IANAL. However, I don't want to give anyone an *opportunity* to decide that I have "done something I oughtn't". I suspect a publisher would be "concerned" if you were wholesale downloading their "secured" documents and then passing them, visibly, on to a service that "unsecures" them.

[Note that there can be some value to doing this -- BEFORE the documents become "uncopyable" in their current form (i.e., if the text is eventually rendered as an image to further discourage such "unsecuring services", you would be well served to grab and convert all documents that you might ever need!)]

Personally, I don't worry about (my) PDF's being copied as it is their intent to propagate the information within. What's the point of communicating information if you don't really want to communicate it?

There are things you can do to make such a document (effectively) useless -- even "unsecured". For example, use simple substitution ciphers vigorously in the text -- mapping (Font1,character0x44) to the glyph 'A' instead of 'D'. So, every time the document wants to portray a grapheme with an 'A' in it, it embeds a 'D' in the text. Cut and paste gives you a 'D' even though your eyes *perceive* an 'A'.

Add more than one such visibly identical "font" with different substitutions and copying the "text" becomes more work than it is worth -- you have to *visually* decode each glyph and map it to the associated underlying "text" (font,character). I.e., if you can OCR the glyph, then why bother looking to see what (font,character) is is encoded as IN THAT INSTANCE?

You can also interactively synthesize the content that is displayed. So, the document has to be "executed" to render it in a readable form.

Or, encode the information in a different "channel" (e.g., spoken word).

Etc.

"Locks keep honest people honest"

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Don Y

One of my colleagues has one of those. He says it's great for coding - just has it rotated so it runs vertically. He has a second 4:3 monitor next door for email, web browsing, etc.

Theo

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Theo Markettos

Yikes. The 21:9 monitors are available from LG in 25, 29, and 34 inch diagonal sizes, all with 2560x1080 resolution. A 3ft high monitor on my desk would probably give me a stiff neck looking up at the top line. Where does he put it? On a chair or on the floor?

One of the metrics I use to determine the "value" of high resolution monitors is cost per megapixel. For the LG 25" model, it's: $380 / 2.76 mpix = $141/mpix

An ordinary commodity 21.5" 1920x1080 monitor would be: $130 / 2.07 mpix = $62.90/mpix

A larger 27" 1920x1080 model: $243 / 2.07 mpix = $117/mpix

In other words, the LG 21:9 monitor isn't much of a bargain if you're trying to get as many dots on the screen(s) as possible, which was the original problem. For applications where the dividing line between monitors is critical, such as graphics and video, an array of monitors is probably not a great idea (depending on the users abilities to adjust to the situation). However, for character based applications, which include programming, the dividing line is not as much of a problem. Well, maybe for those that like to write the entire program on one long line.

Also, I became suspicious when the I noticed that the demo video on the LG 21:9 monitor was effectively in slow motion. I later looked up the specs and found that it has a 14 msec response time, instead of the usual 5 msec. That probably has no effect on most applications, but will cause some smear on video: I was with a customer looking at the monitor. He's somewhat of a gamer, and the slow response killed the sale.

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