It's not all that thin - the minimum OD they offer is 2mm - and they don't recommend it above 30kHz.
is similar, and bit thinner - 1.5mm OD.
Here's a 1978 report covering a slightly thicker cable, which includes a couple of measurements of characteristic impedance - around 40 Ohms.
Maybe I'd half-remembered this
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Be careful. We used to install mineral insulated power cables in explosion proof environments. 'Pyrotenax' comes to mind. It does the job exceedingly well. The problem is that the 'mineral' insulation is actually compressed powdered asbestos.
I would check out the coax to see if history repeats itself.
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The "mineral insulation" can be any one of quite a number of different materials. Asbestos may have been popular in the past, but it doesn't seem to feature in the stuff I've just been looking at.
-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
You sure about that? AFAIR, it's powdered aluminum oxide.
Usually MgO or Alumina.
Alumina = aluminum oxide ;-) AKA Aloxite (usually related to abrasives).
I once saw a magic machine that automatically welded junctions in mineral insulated thermocouples, then welded the jacket over the end to form a hermetic seal. All in a few seconds. Guaranteed vacuum tight.
Yes, I was agreeing with you, even if it didn't look like it.
In keeping with the Alumina name- MgO can apparently be called Magnesia (and, like certain types of bees, can yield a type of milk).
Custom machine, I assume. That's a horrible, fiddly job to do by hand.
What sort of bee gives milk?
I only know about bee pee;-)
Boo-bees
I'm sure you're right. I have no idea when they changed over. The following page gives a respectable history of the stuff.
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mike
I may be wrong, but I think it actually said "Pyrotenax" on it.
From the spool, roller straightened, welded, capped, and cut to length.
They made several hundred made-to-order 'couples a week. Traceable calibration, if required.
So the machine spent about 99% of its time waiting for the humans to make demands of it. Do you remember how they cleaned the insulation off before welding? Sand blast?
Very interesting thread! As a Radio Amateur (G0TLP) I have seen but not use d Mineral Insulated Coaxial, I am also partner in a business that manufactu res accessories for Mineral Insulated power cables and also distributes the cable as well. Over the years I have dealt with BICC pyrotenax now under t he Tyco thermal group. The cable is still manufactured in the UK but by the seam welding process from strip. The traditional method is from cast tubes drawn down to size. The insulant is magnesium oxide. The cable is produced by Wrexham Mineral Cables in the UK and they also supply Tyco. KME produce in Italy and supply AEI as well as our business. Unsurprisingly China is a lso starting to produce as well. Just thought I would add this for interest ! Best Regards
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