Living Among Trash Takes Years Off Life

Jun 21, 2015 37 Replies

with high crime, noise and vandalism are biologically more than a decade ol der than those who do not, according to a study led by researchers from the University of Pittsburgh. The findings were published online today in PLOS One."

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to one side for a bit to go bat for more inequality. No doubt they'll conv ince John Larkin. He's sweet and gullible, which won't make him live any lo nger.

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John Larkin thinks that the case for anthropogenic global warming is junk s cience, but takes seriously the crap that Anthony Watts posts for the denia list propaganda machine.

His judgement in this area is rather less than reliable.

Not true. We aren't in any kind of New Age, and most published research isn 't garbage. Sturgeons Law does apply - 90% of everything is garbage - but i n scientific research the 90% isn't so much actually wrong, rather it's unh elpful, in that the work could have been done more carefully, on more varie d and better chosen samples, and the results could have been analysed more intelligently.

This is all the kind of observation that's a lot easier to make in hindsigh t, after someone has done the job in the way that you would have done if yo u'd known enough about the problems before you discovered them by trying to tackle them

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Science is a co-operative and collaborative task. The scientists doing the work try to present it a way that makes it look good to their colleagues. S ometimes the people presenting work pay a little too much attention to maki ng it look impressive, and rather too little attention to the core task of informing their colleagues.

There's also the difficulty that the problems to be solved are - to some ex tent - selected on the basis that they are widely perceived as interesting, rather than because there's any prospect of finding a useful solution to t he problem.

Not that one would want astronomers to restrict themselves to looking at st ars close enough to kill us if they blew up.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

Google dna contamination

PCR will amplify anything. This is hilarious, but sadly too typical:

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What a master criminal!

I just got my 23amdme DNA kit. We may have a mystery relative, and analyzing me may help figure it out. As long as there are no mistakes or contamination among the millions of sequences being compared.

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On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman Gave us:

EVERYONE fails to note that tons of water get added to this planet from space every day.

Since it would take on the order of 10^14 tons of water to raise the water level by 1mm, a modest number of tons a day won't do much.

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te of published research even beginning to approach the breadth of knowledg e described in the Forbes article...stick with EDN or whatever.

That's not something that could be called typical.

That's ridiculous...

That's ridiculous...

Gosh, Fred, what's your secret to being so relentlessly cheerful?

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s with high crime, noise and vandalism are biologically more than a decade older than those who do not, according to a study led by researchers from t he University of Pittsburgh. The findings were published online today in PL OS One."

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Cheers, James Arthur

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That's interesting but really does not compare to the topic study which inv olved thousands of test subjects and the very objective measure of telomere length with a 12 year difference threshold, a single parameter under study .

The real reason you like that study so much is that it lets you call poor people "trash."

That's the other problem with "science" these days. It's done and accepted on the basis of personal belief and marketability. Physics is hard to fudge, and the public has no big ax to grind about the Higgs particle, but climate and health and social issues are things that people get worked up about.

All sorts of idiots pepper their prejudices with references to "the science". And the press is, as exampled above, desperate for content, so becomes a high-gain rumor mill.

Oh well, things could be worse. All that scientific nonsense is "mostly harmless."

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Don't be silly. Nothing in the study gave him that right - it was purely hi s personal choice in dramatising what it documented.

What makes you think that? Some subjects are easier to get funding for beca use the investigation is an an area that a lot of people find interesting, but you've still got to come up with a plausible scheme for collecting real data about the subject, and null results aren't marketable, no matter how interesting the area being investigated.

Neither climate nor health and social issues are areas where it's easy - or useful - to "fudge".

The "hockey-stick" controversy is an area where the denialists like to clai m the results were fudged but since Mann's original paper his results have been replicated roughly a dozen times on a wide variety of other proxies fo r historical temperatures.

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Diederik Stapels published a lot of faked results in sociology, but it was other sociologists who blew the whistle on him - not a half-baked amateur l ike you.

You would be a prime example. You know very little about science, but feel free to sound off about climate science on the basis of the denialist propa ganda you get fed by the Murdoch media.

Denialism is anything but harmless. The longer we put off cutting back on C O2 emissions, the worse the shape the world in going to end up in before we 've got our act together.

We may not manage to drive ourselves to extinction, but we are well on the way to engineering a human population crash.

The denialist propaganda machine wants to paint the IPCC as alarmist, when the IPCC is probably guilty of only warning about predictable dangers. All the interesting and dramatic things that happened at the end of the most re cent ice age aren't sufficiently well understood for the IPCC to predict if something similar - like the Greenland ice-sheet sliding off into the ocea n in the way the Canadian ice sheet did - is likely to happen any time soon .

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Nobody said anything about poor people being trash, however, there is much to be said about trash ending up as poor people.

There. You did it again.

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Apparently you missed the part about "high crime, noise and vandalism," tha t is the trash part. Do try to work on your reading comprehension.

Where is Adam and Eve when we need them most?

  • Actually, the continuing destruction of money will do that. What is it now - 2 TRILLION dollars of debt and growing? And the EU is as bad (maybe worse). What happens when nobody can buy anything? No food, no gas, nil.

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I didn't mean to compare them, I just thought you might enjoy it.

I didn't see where the study you cited established causation. It's entirely likely that people with poor lifestyles associate with each other, and that their mutual association reinforces poor living. They mention those, with a raft of other factors.

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Cheers, James Arthur

There's no such thing as a person who is "trash", and outside of the (fortunately) relatively few people who are completely pathological and/or personality disordered, there is probably no one who is beyond redemption.

Try being a human being for once. Women would probably like you better as well.

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