Kuwait So Hot Shrubs Spontaneously Combust

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Probably cigarette butts.

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There are others showing 30' tall palm trees combusting too. No, this is your future. California is a tinder box, it's only a matter of time until the whole place goes up. You'll have to jump in the bay to survive.

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I seem to remember Farenheit 451 as the ignition temperature for paper. I would expect bushes and trees to have a higher ignition temperature.

And if the temperature is high enough to cause bushes to burn, then the bay is probably boiling.

Dan

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The problem with fire here isn't warming or drought, it's people putting out fires. And building houses in forests. About 10% of the surface of California used to burn every year before Europeans came along and put the fires out. They were mostly brush fires that mature trees survived, or preferred.

Now the fuel loads build up until we have giant infernos. Things that grow here have to burn, and all people do is alter the waveforms.

More CO2 will cause more plant growth, and that means more stuff must burn.

Neither the temperature nor the rainfall pattern have changed much in California in the last 150 years. It's been cool and rainy the last few days around Tahoe, which is unusual. Probably the beginnings of Global Cooling.

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2017 was outrageous, another 20 meter year. People were skiing in July. Sugar Bowl got 795" at the top.

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Around here, thousands of trees were bent flat or broken off by the weight of the snow. So much for the "perpetual California drought" that we were promised.

Bender, one of our trees, is almost upright. We've been pulling on him hard.

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You believe everything the climate change self-enrichmenters put out?

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John

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Do they talk?

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Really? This shows a CLEAR increase from 1895 to present for min, max, and avg:

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I suppose NOAA is wrong, though.

This. This is why you don't get it. You say it's been "cool and rainy the last few days", so according to you that dispels the global warming myth. Why an engineer like yourself can't understand climate vs weather is incredible.

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Uh, you think the "self-enrichmenters" are posting to youtube as a means of presenting their journal papers? This is high science indeed!

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It's also our past. I personally saw a huge laurel bush go up in flames (entirely unprovoked) during our hottest summer in the UK of 1976. Hasn't happened since, so temps haven't reached that high again in the last 41 years. Sorry!

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There weren't many weather stations around 100 years ago. And few at airports. Instrumentation has changed a lot. And we've learned to make "adjustments."

No, it's just interesting that a couple of years ago the climate experts promised us a perpetual California drought. And kids in England who didn't know what snow is. And an ice-free arctic. Killer hurricanes. But I guess that's all just weather.

When it's hot and dry, it validates the climate models. When we get record snowfalls it's just weather.

What I do appreciate as an engineer is that people are running absurd computer models, and fudging measured data.

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It is pretty amazing how a seemingly intelligent person can shut off everything he has learned about science and fail to understand even the most basic aspect of climate. What can you do with someone who refuses to learn...?

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The real lasting effect of AGW is the damage it has done to science.

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I wonder how hot that asphalt is and the tires on the cars.

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What's amazing is seeing educated people continuously confusing science and religion.

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You've been reading Anthony Watts' website again.

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Sucker.

the last few days", so according to you that dispels the global warming myt h. Why an engineer like yourself can't understand climate vs weather is in credible.

The "climate expert's promises" are all listed on Anthony Watts' web-site, and they aren't what climate experts said, but what reporters thought that they had said - or calimed that they had said in order to concoct an end-of

-the-world head-line.

The ice-free arctic does seem to be coming - there's a lot less ice cover u p there in summer than there used to be and the ice that remains is thinner than it used to be.

We've already had a couple of killer hurricanes, but they will always be on the tail of the distribution, and denialists do deny that the distribution of extreme weather events is moving, though there was a PNAS article point ing out that the distribution had got wider.

Not exactly. A 1C rise in sea-surface temperature - which is what we've had in the last century - is 6% more water vapour in the air above the oceans. When it falls as snow, it's more likely to produce a record snowfall - an example of extreme weather.

Since you clearly know very little about the current generation of climate models, your opinion isn't that of any kind of engineer, but rather that of a head-in-the-sand ignoramus.

Julia Slingo's climate models are anything but absurd.

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You don't get to be an Fellow of the UK Royal Society by publishing nonsens e.

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True, though the damage that is being done - quite deliberately - by the de nialism industry, is just a follow-on from the tobacco-industry driven effo rts to cast doubt on medical science. The tobacco industry found an anti-sc ience tactic that worked - at least on the less educated (which does seem t o include John Larkin) and it has been being exploited ever since.

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John's ignorant assertions are a tribute to its success.

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s your future. California is a tinder box, it's only a matter of time until the whole place goes up. You'll have to jump in the bay to survive.

I would expect bushes and trees to have a higher ignition temperature.

ay is probably boiling.

They have species of flora that secrete some kind of flammable oil onto the leaves, and they're known to combust. We have the same here in N.A. with m yrica cerifera. It is not known to self-combust, but people are advised aga inst planting it next to structures as it will burn intensely if set aflame .

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This?

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You didn't see the plant catch fire. Some damned fool sprayed it with an overdose of pesticide containing petroleum distillate, and that's what caught fire. Mystery solved. You can come back down to Earth now.

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"Because the leaves, stem, and branches contain flammable aromatic compounds, a specimen of M. cerifera is in fact a fire hazard."

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