How to get the damaging leaked University of East Anglia CRU files about AGW
Dec 14, 2009 107 Replies
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Mark
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The discussion about the AGW being true or false is tiring.
It is clear to any thinking person with any scientific background that AGW has NOT been proven to the point where it warrants major changes to our lifestyles.
So lets move to the next level of this chess game.
What is the game behind the game?
WHY are the politicians shoving AGW propaganda down our throats?
Is it simply an excuse to levy more taxes?
Or is something else going on? Do they know that we are really about to run out of oil and they are trying to wean us from oil before it runs out but don't want to panic us?
Is it a ploy to get us to accept nuclear energy with open arms?
I have this fear that when truth wins out in the end and AGW is eventually exposed as false that all of science will be badly discredited. It will be Y2K and cold fussion on a bigger scale.
What is the game behind the game?
Mark
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Don Klipstein
In , Eeyore wrote in part:
Graph of sea level change, including an average of 23 tide gauge records and satellite readings:
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- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)
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jmfbahciv
Sigh! There a bill which has been passed by the House based on this bloody asumption. It will become law when the Senate passes it. That bill, alone, has far-reaching effects on small businesses and the middle class. It will never be repealed.
that's not what I'm talking about.
But it's not bombing. Look at what is happening. And also notice what doesn't make the headlines. The riots will be used as smoke and mirrors by the politicians inside.
/BAH
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John Larkin
Oh, they will probably sign *something* and declare themselves saviors. But it will be toothless and will not be much honored in future years.
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Imagine a thing of this magnitude rushed to completion in a couple of days, in the glare of the press, surrounded by eco-nuts chanting in the streets, blessed by Pope Gore, with all the heads of state due to arrive for their signing ritual with the Danish snow for their photo-op backgrounds.
Insanity.
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John Larkin
Yeah. He was ludicrous in the 'basics' group.
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jmfbahciv
Anything Obama signs will cost money because that's how he works.
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Obama collected a Nobel prize because he wants the rest of the world to "like" him. That is insane.
/BAH
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John Larkin
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Hey, this is working out better than I expected:
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What are the chances of snow in Mexico City in December?
John
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dagmargoodboat
UPDATE: Trouble at the Hopeandchangin conference--there's broad consensus on the need for massive wealth redistribution, but comprehensive agreement on the minor detail of who should pay whom remained elusive. Medics were called after several mutual, inclusive, and transparent attempts to 'bend down the cost curve' resulted in breakage of several delegates' pointing fingers.
Even US-booster Hugo Chavez's crucial support for Mr. Obama's policies was called into question by certain remarks made by that famed defender of free markets and free elections, to raucous approval of the non-partisan crowd.
Meanwhile, political scientists boosted their doomsday machine into overdrive to counter the crisis:
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Finally, a bright spot: delegates' progress toward a universal declaration that "The United States is evil and should please pay us more money" sprinted forward, with passage expected immediately following the scheduled Two Minutes' Hate featuring the North American behemoth.
-- Cheers, James Arthur
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John Larkin
Obama was insulted in front of the world by Wen Jiabao, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro (by remote control), Dmitry Medvedev, Thomas Negints, Andreas Carlgren, Lumumba Di-Aping, and Greenpeace U.S. Executive Director Phil Radford. At least.
I wonder what the O-team has in mind for Plan B. The make-nice thing isn't going so well.
John
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jmfbahciv
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I won't get to the library to read that today.
What's the attitude? ;-) Fortunately, it snowed in D.C.
/BAH
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JosephKK
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Let me ask you this, who is providing traceability on the data and who is= not. If that does not help you sort things, then what is the basis of your = position?
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JosephKK
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Amusing, since the university acts far more embarrassed than you do.
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Really? So please demonstrate what part of the presentation is false. Bring it on, point by point.
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Poxie hell, you are a really drugged up nutter.
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Paul Keinanen
Ignoring the effects of clouds, but including the extinction (the effect of "airmass") the horizontal ground will get 6-7 kWh/m² during a 24 h day.
In the middle of the summer, at 60 to 90 degree latitudes, the surface will receive 7-8 kWh/m² each day.
This may sound surprising for those not living in high latitudes. In the middle of summer at the pole, the Sun is constantly at 23.5 degrees and the projection sin(23.5)=0.4 so 40 % compared to the situation when the Sun is in zenith. However, this continues for 24 hours each day. On the equator, the nearly zenith situation only occurs for a few hours, thus the radiation received during a day is similar.
On the pole, the Sun is 6 month below the horizon, so the annual radiation is below half of the equator values. However, the Sun is quite high for 3-4 month each summer, so the annual average is something like 30 % of the equatorial values.
Different cloud levels complicate the situation further.
While fresh white snow is reflecting the light quite effectively, old dirty uneven ice is not that effective.
For a calm water surface, I have not been able to find, how much of the light is reflected back to space and how much is refracted into water (and ultimately absorbed into water), when the Sun is below 23 degrees. Anyone ? The real question, is the reflected and then absorbed part of the radiation significant compared to the heat carried by ocean currents into the Arctic sea.
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dagmargoodboat
We recoil at this unfortunate slip of the keyboard Comrade John-ski-- things are going /very/ well indeed.
Have you not heard of our glorious victory in Afghanistan, which our Commander in Chief has declared even 18 months in advance? Has our new leader not simultaneously restrained Iran's nuclear ambitions and made peace through understanding with the Taliban?
Just one year ago did not operatives of the wily last-President nearly implode the evil capitalist state by burying it in failed mortgages? Today, total foreclosures being a quarter higher[1] is producing fantastic profits at the same institutions. Through the magic of green, renewable unicorns, banks can now carry failed loans at full value, assuring permanent prosperity for all.[2] Long live the jobless recovery!
Transparent hope and change--is there nothing it cannot accomplish?
Why now our ever-vigilant ever-glorious Senate has even forged a fabulous new wealthshare bill to guarantee that insurance companies can profit from every single American--if necessary, at taxpayer expense--or throw them all in jail.
Everyone approves of these 2,700+ pages of pure love which no one has read. And surely $2.5 trillion is a small price to pay to insure the net 1.8 million additional insured under this bill? [3]
And what third-world dictator could fail to envy, or hope to thwart democracy as effectively, concocting edicts in secrecy, then passing them with blitzkrieg in the dead of night? Can you not feel the openness, the inclusiveness, the 5 nanoseconds' welcoming?
Ah yes, things are going very well indeed.
Cheers, James Arthur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [1]
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The Coming Debt Panic. 12/14/09 "It's time to stop worrying about the deficit -- and start panicking about the debt."
[3] estimate of the Actuary,
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S_PPACA_2009-12-10.pdf) Estimated effect on insurance by 2019, numbers in millions of Americans
(view table in fixed font) Coverage current law Reid bill difference
Yep. And in the same report, nearly a trillion additional in deficits. Not to mention a mythical half a trillion in Medicare savings. Least of all the numbers do not add up correctly, better make that 2 = trillion. =46rom page 21 of 34 of:
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