How can I build a better pulsed pressure generator?

Sep 18, 2013 161 Replies

Don't know where to buy one offhand but I've seen "linear solenoid valves", where the valve plunger was tapered and you drove the coil with dc (used in mass flow controllers, I think). The more voltage the more the plunger retracted and the more flow. I seem to recall response times in the 10s of msec. Feed from an air compressor through a pressure regulator to remove that variable, then figure out the offset and amplitude of the ac you need to feed the coil to span the range of just off to wide open. If you want cheaper (your name is Joerg, isn't it? :-) :-)), and depending on the resolution you need you could copy one of GM's schemes for egr control - they had four solenoid valves in parallel with the orifice in each valve

1.4x the previous one so each gave twice the flow of the next smaller one. Four valves, 16 steps of flow control, just find on/off solenoid valves that are fast enough and parallel as many bits as you need.
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sells nice precision restrictors with a range of hole sizes, you could use identical valves and external restrictors, just make the valve orifice 5-10x the biggest precision restrictor for accuracy in the sub-10% range. Both of these schemes give programmed flow, put that through a tube with a restriction on the end to create back pressure and you have your pressure waves.

----- Regards, Carl Ijames

Folks,

I need to generate pressure pulses of 3-4psi above ambient, frequency around 1Hz, more or less arbitrary waveform with frequency components up to 40Hz in there (but those are less than 2psi) and delivered via short hose. Currently just air pressure.

I got this (sort of) running with a compressor but after a while my ears fall off from all that noise. Can't really place the compressor outside here. So then I tried various speakers. They don't move enough air around. When I pushed one of them a bit harder a few minutes ago its flexible surround rubber burst, that thin stuff doesn't hold much pressure.

In other words I need something similar to an arbitrary function generator but where the output is air pressure. What I want to avoid is hacking a motor, removing a valve and using the piston.

Any other ideas? Can one buy something like that at less than 4-digit prices?

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Along the same line Carl is following, you might look at fuel injector valves. They are quite fast, in the ms range.

tm

What about the old blacksmiths bellows ?? Rigged up with a variable motor/drive.

Borrow a paintball gun?

Mark L. Fergerson

That's interesting. Could grabbed video frames be compared to show the fringes?

You can get pneumatic servovalves, don't know prices though.

John Devereux

Asco SERVOMATIC, for example, 150Hz BW. Still need a compressor of course, and probably not cheap (WAG $1K +100/-50%)

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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Plumb a few sub-woofers in series. the loud-noise fans call this arrangement "isobaric"

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as I understand it you'd need pixels at or below the scale of the interferance fringes, I don't know how small they're making image sensors. but that's pretty small.

And then you'd have a digitised hologram and need to do computations to render a surface from that.

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FYI we get our pumps from Hiblow USA (gotta love the name.) (We use the smallish C-5BN.) George H.

But they could not break an arm 60 times per minute. That's the problem, I need power.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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Hmm, that site seems big on marketing claims but thin on real tech info.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Umm ... yes, it would be nice :-)

While this area would be much more accommodating to that compared to much of the rest of California, neighbors would frown if they'd hear rat-tat-tat all day long.

I can imagine the demo to be really fun. Engineers and managers pile into a room, Joerg opens a large suspicious-looking James Bond style briefcase, opens lid, and everyone scrams.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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Thanks, but that is still way too weak. It would barely get past 1psi in our application. That's what I had with a similar pump but twice the size. 8 watts won't quite cut it.

Looks like these are Japanese pumps.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Yeah. The compressor draws over 2 amps at 115V and even than would run out if I couldn't pre-charge it to 100psi into a 3gal tank. That provides 5-10mins of operation. Afterwards it has to run for 5-10 minutes ... *RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR* ... very loud.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Unfortunately it doesn't result in nearly enugh pressure. Plus they really suffer if you force them down to almost DC. Already blew two serious speakers that way.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I thought about calling Linde and get a quote on a bottle of compressed air, or a dive shop. But then I may be in the news some day, a building with a blast hole in the roof and me in the obituary. 100psi is nothing, my compressor does this and I use up 3gals of that in 5-10mins.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

That's what I am doing right now, except with a hacked pressure switch. If you valve could do more than one cylce per second, do you remember what kind and maybe where you bought it?

It doesn't get me away from the compressor noise though.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

That would be way too weak in power.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Yup.

Speakers aren't all that bad when at near DC frequencies. Then they essentially become solenoids. The surround seems to be the problem, it can't take that for very long.

That's when mine tore its surround.

Those motors are way, way to weak.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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