Heatsink Insulators?

Sep 01, 2006 16 Replies

Didn't spot wide insulators on digikey, anyone have a source?



I need to insulate some heat spreaders from under 1kV, which should be no problem. I want to dissipate up to 200W through a 1.5 x 3" spot with minimal heat (~20C temp rise?).



Tim


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Well, for the time being, a layer of self adhesive tape would do.

Rene

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If thin enough, and wide enough, and cheap enough, and drillable enough.

I seem to recall a post that noted the usual thickness of AlN almost outweighs the conductivity.

Tim

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Depends on how thick. The OP specified a kilovolt, so some thickness is reasonable. AlN conducts heat something like 10x as well as alumina, and is close to BeO.

John

When I need something like that I consider bringing out my 100 ft. roll of mica tape.

greg

If you only want to insulate some..... then fone up Mrs Berquist and ask them for a sample of of their whatever does the job..... Ummm ST-1500.

Tell them that Genome suggested that they should produce some sheets of just less than magazine size for people just like ourselves and have an ordering system with a selection of 'quality' magazines to slip the sample in before putting it in the brown paper envelope for $15 delivered.

The wife/boyfreud will think your journey down the garden shed has nothing at all to do with mounting high powered semiconductors on metallic things. Ooooooh,I feel quite dizzy.

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With an .008" thick Sil-Pad you'd need thermal conductivity of 0.7 watt/m*K. All of these materials are better than that.

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That stuff is thermally crap. If you compress it a couple of hundred PSI, it might get close to half the thermal conductivity they claim, and even that's not all that good.

John

I think they claim it gets down to thrumble blob at 50PSI according to ASTM5570 as defined by them because they have a machine that does it.

Are you saying they are a lying bunch of f****rs?

DNA

Yes. I've never seen a sil-pad conduct heat anywhere close to the advertized value.

John

OK. I have no data or relevant experience to refute your assertion, but I'm still inclined to believe that they can and do deliver performance they advertise. They've been around quite a while.

I'd be inclined to bet that I could demonstrate their claimed performance in my lab to within 20% or better. YMMV.

If you've got a 7805 that's dissipating a couple of watts, they're fine. But if you are pushing semiconductors hard, which you have to do to get real performance, sil-pads are going to be a major roadblock.

And I doubt the 20% claim. This thermal stuff is notoriously difficult to get repeatable measurements from. Just check a few references for the thermal conductivities of various materials: you'll see numbers all over the place.

John

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I don't have any trouble getting repeatable thermal measurements, but I don't have any Sil-pad material to play with. I usually use mica, seems to work OK. But then, I never push semiconductors very hard. Don't have to -- I'm not designing to cost or for production anymore. Example: dirt-simple 600-watt PWM voltage reducer for a boatlift motor

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