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As if Wikipedia is a "consensus" source.

And then Gore "gave" us that piece-of-work, "An Inconvenient Truth".

...Jim Thompson

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Just got our electric bill for December. $225 for ~1900kWh or about $.11/kWh. I don't think I'm going to like electric heat in January and February. :-( More incentive to move on.

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I think what has the right wing-nuts so upset about Gore are his efforts to turn the internet into a public right-of-way (analogous to the Interstate Highway system) and deprive private enterprise from monopolizing it as a means to distribute advertising and product.

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It's a good thing all the "right wing-nuts" are in your head.

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Left wing nuts don't fit on standard threads. ;-)

Tim

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Nah, a couple of undergraduate physics classes would do. In fact I learned the basics of thermodynamics in high school.

robert

Their use is indeed limited, but I don't think it ws Al Gore who invented the underlying thermodynamics.

robert

How so?

robert

I'm sure that's true, but so does their cooling efficiency.

What's an example of a heat pump that isn't a heat pump? The "AC in reverse" thingy certainly pumps some heat, while adding plenty of losses.

Al Gore isn't one of the brightest, but does he indeed advertise running ACs in reverse rather than well-insulated houses with a high-efficiency central heating system?

robert

Your personal heat pump appears to be a model that pumps heat from domestic trouble into Usenet.

robert

??? Let's look at it this way. A resistive heater takes XYZ Joules out of the wall outlet and gives

100% of it to the room it is in (we neglect wiring losses for now). I do not see where else this energy can go. A heat pump takes same XYZ Joules out of the wall outlet (OK, it's hard wired, same thing). It cannot deliver 100% to the room (house) because something will be lost to the (snowy, I am in New England) outside. How could a heat pump be more efficient heater then?

Two pieces of advice.

Don't top post.

Learn some thermodynamics. The heat pump would take heat from your snowy New England outdoors (leaving it even colder than it was before) and deliver it inside your room. It uses the joules it gets from the wall socket to extract rather more joules from the great outdoors and deliver them indoors. It is exactly the same principle used to cool the inside of your refrigerator by warming the radiating grid on the back of the refrigerator.

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If only! I could more or less deal with imaginary lunatics, but the kind that claim to have reported me to the FBI are less imaginary than I'd like. Jim Thompson posted this gem here a while back.

"Nope. Since you have exhibited extreme anti-American behavior here in this newsgroup I simply pointed out said behavior to ICE and a few of my friends within the FBI. "

That a right wing-nut case for you.

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Nonsense. Gore claiming the Internet is like your professor putting his name first on the paper YOU wrote.

...Jim Thompson

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Of course not, I was just having fun with the "Al Gore School of Consensus Science" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Not THAT is novel science ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Actually, it's like your professor saying "I assigned that project and gave him an A on his paper".

Perhaps Jim is engaged in a pool to be the last neo-con to cite the Al-Gore-invented-the-Internet myth.

You will have some tiny amount radiated out as very long wavelength radio waves, some energy dissipated making a weak magnetic field.

No, it draws XYZ / COP (COP =3D coefficient of perfomance) joules out of the wall, and delivers XYZ joules to the room in the same period of time as your "electric heater".

Because it produces *colder air* outside, moving that heat inside.

David A. Smith