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Of course it can. Utility power drops, the "killing" relay drops, the genset starts. Some amount of time later it comes up to speed, and depending on his hairbrained wiring, the relay energizes from the generator produced power. Relays do not transfer instantaneously. It takes time for the relay contacts to move. During the time that the N/C contacts remain closed, generator power is fed out through the mains breaker to the grid. Again, that contradicts you contention that generator power is "not ever" connected to the grid. Some number of miliseconds after that the N/O contact makes, which kills the genset.

Or, if there is a defect, the relay does not kill the genset.

The point that was made addressed grid power at the service panel transitioning from off to on. You snipped the following:

***begin quote*** When the mains power is restored, it will take some period of time for the relay to move the contacts off of the N/C position. During that brief period the genset will be connected to the grid. That period, no matter how brief, contradicts "not ever". ***end quote***

Transfer equipment must be 100% fail safe. It must ensure that the genset is never ever connected to the grid. Not for 1 second. Not for 1 milisecond. Not for 1 microsecond. Not for 1 nanosecond. NEVER.

His proposed circuit is not only NOT fail safe, it is highly failure prone, AND it can connect the genset, however briefly, to the grid even if the circuit has no failure, as discussed above. It fails, even with no bad components, because the design is wrong.

Ed

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The generator rips loose from its mount as it explodes, and burns down his barn?

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Michael A. Terrell

Then the insurance company finds the non-code hookup in the rubble and refuses to pay.

But a more likely scenario is he backfeeds the local bit of grid through the transformer up to the local medium voltage, the linesman comes out and disconnects the faulty section from the grid, proceeds to repair the fault and is electrocuted. This has happened more than once, and is the main reason a *TRANSFER SWITCH* is *REQUIRED* BY ALL ELECTRICAL CODES. Only a fool would fail to use this simple, low cost method of protecting the grid from backfeed.

Anyone aware of a non-code generator hookup has a moral obligation to report it to the local utility or building inspector. This kind of hookup has killed too many people already.

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Glen Walpert

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Sorry, just kidding. Couldn't resist! But all you have to do is look around and you (esp. the government, or TSA) and you know your statement can't possibly be true!!

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Respectfully, if the generator cared about itself, it would let you anywhere near it!

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mpm

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