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-wing invention. There were cultural Marxists once, but they died out long ago.

waddle.

You imbecile! The fact that Wikipedia lists it as a right wing lunatic the ory doesn't legitimize it.

"Today, the conspiracy theory of Marxist culture war is promoted by right-w ing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentators i n mainstream print and television media and white supremacist terrorists.[6 ] Scholarly analysis of the conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact and no intellectual movement by that name.[5][7]"

troy the pillars which underpin Western civilisation.

t the basis of Western civilisation (such as it is) and fondly imagine that their rabid lunacies are supporting it.

ake issue with that aspect at least....

ns in this area. It doesn't suggest that the Frankfurt school was all that influential, or that it had any civilisation-destroying capacity.

OMG! You are so delusional. I can see why Trump has you spellbound.

ave been, and certainly haven't detailed them anywhere, the proposition th at you are revealing them - rather than making fatuous claims about their n on-existent influence - is bizarre, and the idea that you "insights" might be some kind of disinfectant is somewhere between pathetic and fatuous.

What pointers, to Wikipedia articles that say you are not only wrong, but a loon?

Did you even read the article you linked to? No, of course not. If you ac tually read something you might learn something.

YOU are the imbecile. I never suggested any such thing! You are a typical product of the US public schools system if ever I saw one.

In other words: "don't discuss or even mention Cultural Marxism or we'll smear you as a 'white supremacist terrorist'" - a rather obvious tactic to shut down anyone venturing onto the subject in a public forum. Shame it doesn't work with some of us truth-seekers, isn't it?

Of course I've read it, dumbass. I've also read books written by the founders of the Frankfurt School so I know CM exists and what it's all about. If it's all just a figment of my imagination, how do you explain the existence of sources such as this?

You've probably never even heard of Gramsci (ask Sloman, I'm sure he knows all about him).

wikipedia (link above)

How does that not make it a right-wing invention?

Can you sgr some eviudence of this.

So far you've only scored own goals, got any more pointers?

No it just means your claims are concrete enough to be dismissed witgh precision.

-wing invention. There were cultural Marxists once, but they died out long ago.

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ns in this area. It doesn't suggest that the Frankfurt school was all that influential, or that it had any civilisation-destroying capacity.

Name just one of these "infiltrated" people.

I don't "know" anything of the sort. Neither does anybody sane.

ave been, and certainly haven't detailed them anywhere, the proposition tha t you are revealing them - rather than making fatuous claims about their no n-existent influence - is bizarre, and the idea that you "insights" might b e some kind of disinfectant is somewhere between pathetic and fatuous.

A list of demented right-wing web-sites would have been helpful, if this wa s what you thought you were doing.

ry insults and denials means I've certainly hit a nerve with this one. Wha t a shame you can't censor me. Ha! Ha!

There's nothing "angry" about pointing out that you are a deluded twit. It' s just more haughty condescension.

The proposition that I might be a "a Cultural Marxist of the Trotskyite pe rsuasion" is a trifle bizarre, even for you. The only people who ever took "Trotskyism" seriously were Stalin's followers - after Trotsky was exiled f rom the Soviet Union in 1929, he was moved from Turkey to France, then on to Norway and eventually to Mexico, where he was assassinated in 1940. He d oesn't seem to have had any contact with your "cultural Marxists" - he was journalist by training, not an academic. "Trotskyist" was a term of abuse w ithin the Communist Party, but the kind of academic who might have self-id entified as a "Cultural Marxist" - - I can't think of any, and I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to name even one either - wouldn't have had any enthusiasm for any of Trotsky's political interests.

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ly changed your tune!

Posting a link to Wikipedia article isn't cutting and pasting. Using a phra se - "Cultural Marxism" - that you don't understand is exactly what happens when you cut and paste your arguments.

I've not changed my tune - you've just failed to understand what I was sayi ng, or are pretending to do so.

heory doesn't legitimize it.

Cursitor Doom was implying exactly that, but he's not going to admit it.

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A meaningless insult - if Cursitor Doom could have pointed to an actual def ect in Rick C. argument, it might have had some force, but all Cursitor Doo m was saying was that he he hadn't said what he'd cleaqrly implied.

t-wing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentator s in mainstream print and television media and white supremacist terrorists .[6] Scholarly analysis of the >conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact and no intellectual movement by that name.[5][7]"

smear you as a 'white supremacist terrorist'" - a rather obvious tactic t o shut down anyone venturing onto the subject in a public forum. Shame it doesn't work with some of us truth-seekers, isn't it?

Cursitor Doom imagines that he can call himself a truth-seeker. Anybody who takes the Daily Mail and Russia Today seriously isn't some body who is see king truth - he's seeking right-wing fantasies that make him feel comfortab le and fit his demented delusions.

ctually read something you might learn something.

ders of the Frankfurt School so I know CM exists and what it's all about.

He's never named even one such book.

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Never heard of him. Wikipedia has.

Left-wing political philosophers publish all sorts of nonsense. Right-wing nitwits take some of it seriously when it fits in with their current delusi on.

There's a lively market for all kinds of nonsense. Publishers churn out "tr ue romance" novels for a certain class of customer, and a different brand o f nonsense for another group.

"The Bell Curve" sold in huge numbers, despite being toxic racist nonsense

- the fact that it grossly flattered it's readers did help and John Larkin loved it. "Inequality by Design" spelled out how it has misused the data on which it claimed to be based, but didn't sell nearly as well. "The Protoco ls of the Elders of Zion" is still in print, despite the fact that it was n onsensical propaganda.

You know perfectly well what I mean. Trotsky wanted to export the Revolution and impose in on the entire world - by violence if necessary. Your thinking as evidenced by your own admissions makes you of the "Trotskyite persuasion" which should be obvious to anyone who reads your nonsense. You want your own world-view exported around the globe regardless of who might want it OR NOT. BTW, fitting that Trotsky should die as he did: live by the sword, die by the sword and all that. Or ice pick in this case. Still too good an end for the likes of him.

persuasion" is a trifle bizarre, even for you. The only people who ever too k "Trotskyism" seriously were Stalin's followers - after Trotsky was exiled from the Soviet Union in 1929, he was moved from Turkey to France, then on to Norway and eventually to Mexico, where he was assassinated in 1940. He doesn't seem to have had any contact with your "cultural Marxists" - he was journalist by training, not an academic. "Trotskyist" was a term of abuse within the Communist Party, but the kind of academic who might have self-id entified as a "Cultural Marxist" - - I can't think of any, and I'm pretty s ure that you won't be able to name even one either - wouldn't have had any enthusiasm for any of Trotsky's political interests..

That wasn't just Trotsky. The entire Soviet communist party was behind that particular plan. It's part of Karl Marx's "leading role of the party" appr oach. It's undemocratic, which is why the international socialist movement rejected it - and him - back in 1871.

skyite persuasion" which should be obvious to anyone who reads your nonsen se.

Actually, I make a habit rejecting that particular approach with some enthu siasm. You don't seem to notice this.

o might want it OR NOT.

Bizarre idea. Your own world view is gullible idiocy, and you do seem enthu siastic about posting it here, which is supposed to be a discussion group a bout electronic design, a subject where you are about as well-informed as y ou are on politics.

the sword and all that. Or ice pick in this case. Still too good an end fo r the likes of him.

He didn't actually live by the sword. He was a journalist and organiser. He did a pretty good job of organising the Red Army immediately after the rev olution, but mainly by persuading people to work together.

He was a revolutionary socialist, which isn't an an approach I think much o f, but he was a whole lot more constructive than Stalin, which is rather li ke arguing precedence between a flea and louse, or you and Flyguy.

Ooh the irony!

You, a foreigner poked your nose into the brexit debate.

Are you pissed again?

We _HAVE_ (still) postal voting in _ALL_ elections in the UK. Fraudulent postal voting is not _RIFE_ - that implies a large amount.

In fact at one time there was a somewhat restrictive list of circumstances that allowed someone to have a postal vote. Now anybody can have one...

Not so much dwopped, as threw outa his pram with his dummy (pacifier, I think!) :-)

And in the next couple of months he will have a major tantrum and smash the place up. He'll probably regard himself as a modern Sampson bringing down the temple of iniquity.

Apparently he chose to remove insurance cover from his family members when they needed it most, so that kind of tantrum is quite possible.

"Shortly after the 2016 election, when I?d see him being particularly cruel, I would think about how he treated my father [Fred Trump Jr, Donald?s older brother, who died of alcoholism at 43]. He took away our family health insurance after his father, my grandfather, died ? this was when my nephew needed round-the-clock nursing care, which we then couldn?t afford. That is the kind of man he is."

One thing we can be sure of is that Trump won't try to steal the White Hous e furniture like Billy Boy and Shrillary did (he has nicer stuff):

The rules governing the acceptance of gifts by the president and other fede ral employees divide such items into two categories: those received from fo reign officials or governments (foreign official gifts), and those received from the American public (domestic gifts). The president is allowed to kee p foreign official gifts if their worth is under a certain threshold; gifts whose worth is over the threshold belong to the people of the United State s and must be purchased at fair market price from the General Services Admi nistration. No such limitation applies to domestic gifts, although the law requires disclosure of each individual gift valued at more than a minimal a mount ($260 as of the end of Clinton?s term of office). The law als o states that federal employees, including the president and first lady, ma y not solicit gifts.

As I said: RIFE

And this is from the Independent, not some 'hard right' newspaper you can simply dismiss out of hand.

The Guardian. Ha! Says it all. You might as well quote from the Beano. :-D

The quote is from somebody that has known Trump very well over a lifetime, and been able to see how he operates. That's better than most people.

Trump is notoriously litigious, and if it was false there is little doubt he would silence them in the courts. He hasn't (and probably hasn't attempted to), almost certainly because those allegations of vile behaviour are true.

Cursitor Doom only takes the Daily Mail seriously, and expects it to be bac ked up by Russia Today. The Beano was written for children. The kind of adult who trusts the Daily Mail and Russia Today knows exactly what kind of misinformation they want, and they can rely of getting it - t he reality that these "news organisations" pretend to be reporting isn't al lowed to get in the way of them giving people like Cursitor Doom the messag e they want to hear.

Presenting him with factual news reports is futile - they aren't going to d eliver the kind of nonsense that he's addicted to.

Was the result the wrong one for you?

Perhaps eliminating the electoral college in favor of a popular vote selecting our president will allow for a more fair election? It shouldn't come down to a relative handful of votes in a few narrow state races to select a new President.

Doesn't everyone agree?