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heaper to get them into the health care system - and an isolation ward - be fore they infect too many other people.

this, but not James Arthur. His ideological blinkers blind him to situatio ns where it actually makes good economic sense to love thy neighbour, even if he - or she - is an irresponsible idiot.

If only. I'm living in Australia now, and every visit to my GP costs me $A9

5, unless she finds something interesting, and has to spend time setting up a visit to a specialist. My last visit was about a BCC on my leg (now remo ved at considerable expense) and that visit cost me $170. If my Dutch GP ha d taken it seriously when I took it to him a few years ago, and I'd got it fixed under the Dutch system, it would have been a lot cheaper. Australia h as the same kind of two-tier system as the US and I've got enough money tha t I can exploit the more expensive tier.

The cheaper tier works a whole lot better than it's US equivalent, but the recently elected crew or right-wing nitwits seem hell bent on making it wor se.

Your problem isn't that you don't take care of the uninsured, it's just tha t you don't do it well, and try to minimise their claims on the system. My point was that this is penny-wise and pound-foolish. The required slur is t here to remind everybody else that you are incapable of perceiving this.

Spending five times not-enough to get to still not-enough grates on your un savoury principles. What a pity.

What the US needs is an effective healthcare system. What it has got is an extraordinarily expensive system that performs adequately for the fully ins ured, poorly for the rest, and falls to pieces in emergencies.

talks about the performance of the New Orleans healthcare system during Kat rina. It doesn't take much imagination to see how it would work - or rather fail to work - in a plague.

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Slowman, Bloggs.... igno.... ...Jim Thompson

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Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson reminds us that he got that way by ignoring stuff that he didn't enjoy reading about.

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I AM USING CAPITALS, BECAUSE NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO THIS, SINCE THEY WANT THE MEN IN WHITE COATS TO SAVE THEM AND DELIVER HEALTH.

IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.

THE MEDICAL SYSTEM DOES NOT DO PREVENTIVE CARE, O YOU ARE F---ED IF YOU RELY ON THEM.

IF YOU HAVE A GOOD MEDICAL PLAN, STICK WITH IT. BUT SINCE THE MEDICAL SYSTEM IS A DYSFNCTIONAL MESS YOU MUST:

1. BE YOUR OWN DOCTOR
2. PERHAPS DO MEDICAL TOURISM IF YOU DON'T DO #1 WELL AND YOU GET SICK.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU *HOW* TO DO #1 ABOVE, SINCE I BROUGHT IT UP.

-EAT VERY CAREFULLY - WORK WITH BAD FOOD HABITS, EAT GOOD FOOD

-EXERCISE LIKE YOUR ASS IS FALLING OFF

-GET BLOOD TESTS TO TELL YOUR PREVENTIVE HEALTH STATUS: CRP, HOMOCYSTEINE, PSA.

-READ LEF.ORG MAGAZINE LIKE THE BIBLE

-TAKE SUPPLEMENTS (LEF.ORG GUIDELINES). THE SUPPLEMENTS ARE D - 5000 A DAY. MONITOR BLOOD TO 50 LEVEL E - GAMMA E MIX - KEEPS ARTERIES CLEAR

-POMEGRANATE JUICE - CLEANS OT ARTERIES LIPOIC ACID, ACETYL CARNITINE, GOOD MULTI, COQ10 (UBIQUINOL TYPE), QUERCETIN, GURCUMIN, ETC SEE LEF.ORG.

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IF YOU RELY ON HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, YOU ARE FU--ED AND WILL LIKELY DIE A PAINFUL DEATH. (WHILE THEY GRAB ALL YOUR MONEY.) IF YOU TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR HEALTH, PREVENTIVELY, THAT'S THE KEY. DOCTORS DON'T KNOW SHIT AND MOST ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS ABOUT PREVENTIVE MEDICINE. MOST ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY AND WANT YOU TO DIE SO THEY CAN COLLECT THE MONEY.

The government has passed legislation that creates problems for a large percentage of the population and you think is the people that created the trouble. What is your problem? Mikek

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My wife knows I am not dead!

Jamie

I can understand how that works!

Jamie

Bloggs is a welfare recipient, he stands to benefit from all those screw ups!

Should I say any more?

Jamie

Sorry, Jim, this is not pointed towards you, but lends me into an opportunity to bring this up... As fun as this throwing back and forth goes, I sometimes wonder if there's any truth to the plan to make people turn against each other rather than really vent their spleens on the true cause, the ones who seem to have little respect for where all that money comes from and too much respect for where all that money goes....like Mikek pointed out he could keep his plan with 18% increases every year, or get half his premiums subsidized, but oh, by the way, the premiums just doubled so his payments are the same, but now the supplying insurance firm gets 'free' money tacked onto his premium. Say what?!

I can't believe that I am alone in saying something is wrong here [not just here] and it needs to be fixed. But I KNOW nothing will change and nothing will EVER get fixed with everyone throwing at each other. Seriously getting tired of hearing words bandied about, Dems vs Reps, or liberals vs conervatives as ways to label [and dismiss, discount, and defuse] rather than discuss. We're all going to suffer with the present mindset that is imposing all upon us, so why aren't we ALL standing up and looking for some solutions? or, is all this bickering tantamount to acceptance and 'fussing' is just a form of grumbling.

Are there truly citizens that think the trajectory of the US's present course is NOT catastrophe? Are there people who really believe that the US is following/returning to its founding tenets? Or, am I wrong in THAT observation? No, I don't believe it. Everybody knows something is wrong. Else we wouldn't be so angry, frustrated, and feeling so unjustly 'put upon' to be in turn vehemently attacking each other.

Den tirsdag den 20. maj 2014 01.18.12 UTC+2 skrev Robert Macy:

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-Lasse

I agree that no one is fighting back. The country as a whole has its head buried in the sand. And I suspect we're heading toward a total collapse.

As for Fred, it has nothing to do with politics... he hasn't said anything coherent in more than a year. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim's test for "coherence" is rather like krw's test for "correctness" - a little too subjective to be useful.

Fred has produced some rather silly anti-women posts in the past few days, which might reflect cognitive problems but more likely reflect some kind of disaster in his private life. His rational arguments remain sound, so Jim' s speculations about age-related degeneration strike me as being as ill-fou nded as most of Jim's speculations.

As far as the US political situation goes, the US Gini-index is absurdly hi gh, and the levels of inequality it reflect aren't really consistent with l ong-term political stability. Even Jim has enough contact with reality to r ecognise the symptoms, even if his imagined fundamental problem is as a far off the wall as you'd expect from him.

The real problem is that the founding tax evaders left the US with an MS/DO S political operating system - better than anything previously tried, but d istinctly half-baked, and unfortunately prone to promoting the interests of the well-off. The Tea Party is trying to impose the IBM approach to the pr oblem - let's make better solutions non-standard and stick with the solutio ns we've already got.

It didn't work for IBM, and it's certainly not going to work for the US, in the long term. Germany is now out-exporting the US despite having only a q uarter of the population. Those few US residents who don't think that the U S is God's only country may have noticed this, but the right-wing nitwits w ho post here clearly haven't got the message.

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the free-riders.

cheaper to get them into the health care system - and an isolation ward - before they infect too many other people.

about this, but not James Arthur. His ideological blinkers blind him to situations where it actually makes good economic sense to love thy neighbour, even if he - or she - is an irresponsible idiot.

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But that requires Bill to be able to find and compare actual numbers instead of the smoke blown by DML and company. Outside of chemistry and maybe engineering he lives in an innumerate world.

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by ignoring stuff that he didn't enjoy reading about.

Not really, you are doing the same thing even more extensively.

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I haven't seen you quoting Gini-indices, which I do from time to time. That makes you less numerate than I am. Piketty doesn't like the Gini-index because the significant data is buried in the upper tail of the income dis tribution, but he doesn't talk about higher-order estimators of distributio n, which strikes me as less numerate than is ideal, though I am numerate en ough to know that higher order estimators do tend to be dominated by the no ise in the data.

You don't have to be all that numerate to be aware that the US health syste m is the most expensive per head of any nation's healthcare system, and tha t it doesn't deliver any better outcomes for the fully insured than the bes t of its - cheaper - competitors (in France and Germany) and that it delive rs appreciably worse outcomes for the population as a whole than the health care system of any other advanced industrial country.

Obama's attempts to fix it are stranded on the dire way the US chooses to r un its political system, but he has eliminated a few of it's more obvious d efects. There are still plenty left to go.

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The only numerate I'm interested in is, "Why does my health insurance cost me 71.6% more now than it did 25 months ago?" The only status change is my age. btw, it is a rhetorical question, the answer is Obamacare. Mikek

Corrent, I tend to read content that has real value.

Jamie

I took a quick look at LEF.ORG and was disappointed when the first thing I saw was a sale on their products. Just because they sell doesn't mean they have bad info, but it sure makes me suspicious of what they say to take, when they just happen to have it. But to your point, yes, it's like momma said, eat right, get your sleep and exercise. The problem is what does eat right mean? It depends on who your guru is. There is the thing lately about red meat is not bad for you, it won't clog your arteries, but avoid inflammation, that is what causes the cholesterol to stick to the walls in an effort to repair your arteries. Got to go get my sleep, later, Mikek