CFA question

May 31, 2015 9 Replies

Hi all,



I've a silly question because I'm a bit unexperienced with current-feedback amplifiers. I've observed from both the datasheet and from experimental data that the closed-loop frequency response rolls off with -40 dB/dec, while I'd have expected a -20 db/dec. I'm using Analog AD811 configured as a non-inverting amplifier with gain



  1. Is this behaviour common to CFAs or is it typical of AD811? Thanks for any feedback Marco

Hey, click on "data sheet"

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Analog Devices has really trashed their web site.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Il 31/05/2015 19.02, John Larkin ha scritto:

That's strange. Anyway here it is the datasheet

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Bye Marco

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And social network instead of designing circuits. Or buying ICs.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

CFB op-amps, we like to call them. As you know this -12dB/octave characteristic is common for any op-amp configuration with a second gain pole close to its rolloff frequency. CFB op-amps can have that just like VFB types. Some peaking in the gain response is also common.

If it's excess high-frequency phase shift that's bothering you, there's a clever solution, called "active compensation", see AoE-III, Section 5.8.7, page 314. This involves adding an identical opamp in the feedback loop in a specific fashion, and it can extend the phase response by nearly a decade.

Thanks, - Win

I recall seeing that in an ancient AD app note (AD-107, 1987). It's not on AD's web site any more, but I snagged a mirror long ago before they trashed their site:

It's more of a frequency-domain trick, because its behaviour near the corner frequency isn't as nice.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

OK. Now it is clearer. I've suspected that, but I've found no confirmation.

Oh yes. I've encounterd some stability issues in my application and suspected that the culprit was the CFB amplifier. Indeed, now I've learned that my first modeling of the circuit was a little bit wrong. if the suggested solution,"active compensation"is the same pointed out by Phil Hobbs, I've used it in the past in one project and learnt from the same AN.

Anyway, my copy of AoE-III sholud knock at my door next days. Thanks for the help. Bye

Marco

Yes, I referenced James Wong's app note in our book.

I found a small capacitor across R2 tamed the beast in Spice modeling. I haven't tried it on the bench. James Wong says the technique is best for gains > 5.

Thanks, - Win

Interesting, thanks. I've never used it either, though I was intrigued enou gh to remember it all this time--there's usually more than one source of ph ase funnies in an instrument, so I never seem to be able to avoid a calibra tion step of some sort.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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