CE marking

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:17:30 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) Gave us:

Wow... you said something right.

Bullshit. If it doesn't comply, the maker of the product is no longer allowed to declare it as compliant, and is no longer allowed to ship to that country until compliance is gained and proven. It gets refused at the docks!

Wrong. Also, it's "manufacturer".

"may apply"? So really you don't know anything about it then.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:24:18 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:

A safety org originally surrounding electronic gear, but seemingly involved with any life critical safety issues (ie car seats).

I would think that the speaker wire would be as it passes currents to the speaker transducer. On a high wattage drive situation, a person could theoretically get injured.

Do you remember the horror stories about live performances on wet, rainy stages?

There is no such thing as a CE safety organisation. Tests results from any CB scheme ( competent body ) approved lab are accepted though.

A manufacturere can perform and use their own in-house tests for compliance though since in any event they 'carry the can'.

Nope. The voltage is ( typically ) too low for it to be even considered hazardous. Certainly CE does not apply to cable anyway .

High *voltage* requires the use of approved or conforming connectors.

Not much ever happened here but the UK has always had good safety earthing.

Graham

Only if ( as our Hungarian expert used to say ) it is " an equipment ".

Interesting that the RU refers only to safety whilst the CE refers only to EMC.

Computer sub assemblies were not originally intended to be CE marked but it was pointed out that it was wholly impractical to have to test every single permutation of sub-assemblies ever sold as IT equipment (although the big companies might have liked that ). For example in theory even a change of say, network card supplier would have required an entire PC to have to be restested. So it was accepted ( for all I know on a 'nod and a wink' basis that any combination of CE marked components for ITE would be deemed to comply.

Graham

I have a serving tray (you know, coffee, tea etc) that I 'liberated' from a hotel in Italy a month ago, and it has a CE label on it. I could hardly believe it when I saw it.

Cheers

PeteS

I wonder if the stick on CE labels are CE approved

martin

On 30 Jul 2006 14:02:26 -0700, "PeteS" Gave us:

If only you could liberate Baghdad from the Iranian insurgents that are there.

Hey, kids could gnaw on it. Food (including acidic fruits etc.) could be placed directly on it. It could contain, for example, lead. Lead used to be used as a UV stabilizer in PVC, but I think it's mostly been banned in that role (as the plastic slowly broke down lead-bearing dust would go everywhere). (eg. cheap window blinds from Taiwan).

Standards for things that come into contact with food for human consumption are fairly high, even in the US (USDA, FDA and NSF).

Remember the bunch of pottery (bowls etc.) imported from Mexico that had toxic glazes and had to carry a label warning that it was only for decorative use?

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:50:33 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:

High WATTAGES on a speaker driver can be at significant voltage. Particularly if the line or driver opens up.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:50:33 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:

Sorry, but a guitar is NOT earthed.

Today, we use radio links, and this is one reason.

It is in the UK ! Via the screen of the guitar lead.

Not a reason for the UK to do so. It's done simply for convenience when required.

Graham

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:14:00 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:

That is NOT a fault return grounding, or as you call it, a "safety earth".

Guitar leads ALL over the entire world are only two wires. So where is the fault return?

That's why I said 'via' !

Through the chassis and mains lead.

Graham

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:05:38 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:

You are obviously unaware that this does not abate the dangers present in such a hook-up on a live stage in a rainstorm. In fact, it facilitates it.

Do elaborate.

Graham

In message , dated Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Phat Bytestard writes

CE marking is a claim by the manufacturer on his own inalienable responsibility. There are no 'CE labs'.

And I'm sure I'll regret correcting these errors, because of the abuse that will result.

In message , dated Sun, 30 Jul

If a member of the public can buy a sub-assembly in a shop or on-line and fit it him/herself, then it needs a CE mark. If not, it doesn't.

In message , dated Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Phat Bytestard writes

Not only safety; EMC as well.

In message , dated Sun, 30 Jul 2006, martin griffith writes

I just did, and stepped right into this pool of p**s.

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