better 4046 PLL

Sno-o-o-ort ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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She doesn't like heavy meat, so we eat light, healthy food. Tastes great. But once in a while I like serious guy food. It would probably kill me if I ate like this all the time. Probably bore me, too. I'd hate to get jaded about baby back ribs or seriously good corned beef.

We do agree about bacon. And gelato. Her chicken dishes, paprica chicken and chicken marsala, are superb.

It's no great hardship to eat unagi and pasta carbonara and blackened red snapper and shrimp+grits. I cook a lot of cajun/creole, and she cooks a lot of California and Italian, and those are not traditionally meat heavy. The fruits and veggies here in California, especially this time of year, are fantastic.

Don't be silly. If I shared shopping and cooking with anyone, any kind of roommate, we'd have to agree on what we cook and eat together. No point in two people cooking two separate meals.

Do you make all the rules in your household? No compromises at all? Lord and Master? Do you live with a doormat?

Why do you and Jim keep cackling and squawking in a thread about PLLs?

Do you have anything to say about PLLs?

Thought not.

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but IIRR it has only got the better - but still not very good - VCO and pre sumably much the same problem with the phase detector 2 as the original 404

  1. Phil Hobbs' pull-down resistor sort of works there too, I guess, though the difference in leakage currents through the N- and P-channel output tran sistors might do the same job, biasing the operating point just onto the ed ge of teh dead spot.

Numerologist.You probably believe in astrology too.

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Whacky logic diagrams consistently show VCO Fout strapped to the PCs.

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Several people make programmable XOs and VCXOs and IC synthesizers. But the math to program a frequency is complex, if it's revealed at all.

Fox will program a VCXO to practically any frequency in a few days, their Xpresso parts. I think some distributors will program them, too. They seem to have a 3 GHz oscillator somewhere inside, according to our spectrum analyzer.

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Well. Who is it that has the patents on some of the very earliest commercial PLL parts?

Hint: It's not you. ...Jim Thompson

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Idiot. The thread was about PLLs until Thompson issued his entirely illogical, off-topic attempt at insult, BEFORE I posted the reply that you quote. And your only posts to this thread have been personal, not to mention coarse, crude, and misogynistic.

The topic is electronics design, you moron. Any idiot can type raunchy drivel, in bad prose or bad verse. It take some actual skill to design a PLL.

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You are all about boasting. What's the use of having your name on an expired patent that was assigned to someone else in the first place? What did they pay you for those patents, $50 or something? That's a sucker's game; it doesn't show how smart you are, it shows how stupid you are.

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You said, in another post, "It take some actual skill to design a PLL."

So show us something technical about PLL's... something other than your standard drivel.

You can't. You're a fraud. ...Jim Thompson

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I posted the link to my V880 module that has the picosecond-stability bang-bang adaptive PLL. I think I've even posted the PLL schematic here before; I can do it again if anyone's interested.

Bang-bang loops are interesting. There has been a little academic research, but nothing that I've found to be useful; I have my own way of thinking about them. I did my first one when I was still a student at Tulane, for a proposal to Boeing. People thought it wouldn't work, but it locked first time. It was a TDM analog audio link, and I played music through it to impress the boss.

The problem in the V880 is to keep the jitter *and* the time drift down to single digits of picoseconds. Any linear phase detector is going to have serious problems doing that over time and temperature. An all-differential bangbang phase detector has, in theory, infinite gain and near zero TC.

LLNL liked it.

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Have you done any bangbang PLLs?

All your patents need an additional claim:

  1. Thompson worked 70 hour weeks, for which we paid him almost nothing, to invent this. He's gone now, and has no rights to his invention, and we keep making millions selling these chips. He is however allowed to brag, to bored dinner guests, about how smart he is.
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You're preaching to the choir, numbnuts. 

Besides, I thought you claimed that you never used words like 'Idiot' 
or 'Moron' in that high-falutin' twaddle you allude to.
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I think he, at one time, claimed to have one. ...Jim Thompson

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Actually, it is fairly common for Pamela and I to have two separate meals, and often I cook them both!

We have very different tastes in some things, esp. veggies. I love green peas, but can't handle whole kernal corn. She loves corn on the cob, bean sprouts, spinach, greens of many types.

Like this morning for breakfast, I boiled her an egg while I made myself some ham and scrambled eggs with cheese. I had a slice of toast, while she had some red grapes. We shared the ham and the grapes. About a quarter of the time we will make two separate dishes for a meal.

Charlie

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Every one of my customers (many hundreds) like my work. Shall I post my own pontificating display ?:-)

Yep. That was actually my first approach, back in the early '60's... based on my observation of pushing my children on their swing set.

I've been doing PLL's so far back that no less a personage than Gardner claimed that what I proposed couldn't work... until he saw me demonstrate it at Hoffman Electronics (El Monte, CA).

I've also designed DLL's. Have you?

(BTW: I came up with the conceptual idea for today's common PFD. Ron Treadway took my concept and reduced it to gates. I also am the one who coined the phrase "charge pump".)

I've been paid rather well, all my life. And I've never actually "worked". I've been playing all my life... I enjoy the challenge of designing circuits. I'm still playing, though I don't need to anymore.

What? You just described yourself? All you ever do here is shoot off your mouth, tell us how wonderful you claim to be, and assault/insult anyone who actually posts a working circuit.

Done any designs recently, or is everything done, as I suspect, by your minions, but you claim the accolades?

You are, indeed, NOLA white trash. ...Jim Thompson

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Senile Idiot! I never sell my labor or my IP. I embedd my IP in products, and sell it thousands of times, or license the IP and get paid for every use, forever, thousands of times. I have one patent that I didn't really want, but I demanded that I have rights of use before I signed the paperwork. Why create something, on a salary, and watch someone else make big bucks off it?

All you ever do here is shoot off

Senile ravings again.

Hell, look at my web site; there are zillions of products. I designed most of the stuff there, defined the product and the architecture, drew the schematics. I do collaborate with my guys, and let them do stuff too, and I don't do the VHDL or embedded C stuff myself, although I do a lot of the architectural stuff.

You keep saying that I can't design electronics, which is plain stupid. I never said that you can't design analog ICs.

You are, indeed, repetitious and boring. You just keep saying the same dumb stuff, not even very original.

I couldn't design a linear IC, and you couldn't design the stuff that I do.

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I must have designed over a thousand circuit boards by now.

So you're just flailing, jumping into technical threads with stupid personal clucking and plain-wrong insults, can't imagine why. Basic meanness compounded by senility, I suppose.

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Only one, about 2D delay-line anodes for imaging charged particles. I didn't want it, but the company I was working with did. It's assigned to Imago Corporation, but I insisted on my rights to use it, which I have. Search for Larkin+Gribb+Imago.

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We're a bit more compatible than that. She just doesn't like a lot of red meat.

I do most of the cooking, 100% of the breakfasts, but I prefer to just cook one meal at home. I can always have a big bloody burger or a carnitas taco for lunch.

So much food, so little time.

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I have tried the 9046 once. Did not find it to be much better and abandoned it, rolled my own PLL instead.

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