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This is and has been a fine newsgroup with many fine engineers.

I am a bit tired of skipping around BOTH SIDES

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There are some very fine engineers on this site with very fine help and advice.

I am a bit fed up with skipping around BOTH SIDES of the political ramblings that infect this group - please take them to an APPROPRIATE newsgroup. Thank you, TomC

Non Sequitur.....Pure unadultratrated republican pap. It sets up a nonexistent straw man then proceeds to knock it down. But, it's just nonsensical bull shit that does not relate to what is in either the Senate or the House bill. The fact that republicans have no clue, just say NO and make up stuff without any constructive thoughts whatsoever says volumes. Republicans didn't help much getting Social Security or Medicare either. But now they want to keep those programs, fancy that! Republicans don't care about the plight of people and never did. They care only for their corporate shills and little else unless it's war.

I ain't American but I know that that video is a fair view on the wonderful British socialist national health service.

Here NICE prevents the health service giving some drugs because they are expensive. Buy the drugs yourself and then you are on your own.

Just like the USA.

There's nothing in the national health care legislation that prevents anyone from buying the biggest, best insurance plan that will pay for whatever level of treatment they desire and can afford.

That ad dramatizes that way things work today with private insurance. Unless you've paid for the CEO-level plan, there will be a point at which the insurance companies will cease to cover extraordinary measures to keep geezers alive.

Had we opted for a single payer public system, that ad would have made one good point: Why does Congress get a better plan than the hobo standing at the off-ramp with the cardboard sign. But since that's not the way we will be going, there's nothing stopping you from buysing as good (or better) than what Congress has.

Why does Bob Eld bother posting... he does not exist in my world ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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I would opt for the Congressional Plan, if I can get it for the same price they do.

What is the difference with this and current health insurance policy /

A friend is fighting her insurance company for not living up to the paid promise of long term care after paying for years into their program.

If they do cut her off, she will be dead within a year.

So, today you pay into a private health plan, and get cut off by a private bureaucrat or pay into a gov'nt health plan and have a public bureaucrat cut you off.

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Ha Ha! I must exist in your world or you wouldn't bother posting such irrelevant crapola. My existence is to dog you and counter your right wing garbage and misinformation which apparently you get from the nut case rocket scientists, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and other purveyors of lies, innuendo and straw man non- sequiturs.

How much do you want to bet that health care reform will become as wildly popular as Social Security and Medicare and that you CONs, rightards, teabaggers, republicans and other misfits will come to want to protect that program just like you do the other two. You people are pathetic. You jump on the band wagon after the fact but NEVER work to develop it or pass it. It takes us "Liberal Weenies" to get stuff for the American people.

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But, how will we ever KNOW what this health care bill entails? Most of the important provisions don't come into action till after the next presidential election, while the increased costs start now. During that time, there will be amendments and riders to other bills that will alter all those provisions left and right, so, by the time it is SUPPOSED to start happening, who know what they will be? It is not as if this bill made any real fundamental changes to the existing system, except to mandate that everyone will get coverage. The same insurance companies, hospitals, doctor's groups, etc. will all be there with the same obscured coverages that no one can really figure out. The democrats will spend four years pointing at it, going "It will be GREAT!" and the republicans will spend four years pointing at it, going "It will be a DISASTER!" but noone will every really know!

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No, the taxes will be a disaster. That much is obvious.

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But that in NOT the language of the current proposals. Graduate from HS = or college=20 and be forced onto obamacare. Change to a better pay job and be forced = onto obamacare. READ it before telling those that have what is in it.

Contrary to dogma, Republicans offered a bunch of creative and pretty decent ideas. You can find these all over their websites. They got zero press, and zero consideration in either house of Congress.

Democrats rammed this thing through in secrecy before even they could read their own bill. They had too, because both bills are that bad.

Democrats do not tolerate alternative ideas, nor free nor open discussion.

It's perverse that you, the President, and Reid keep citing Social inSecurity(tm) and Mediscare as great triumphs over reason, as successes, given that they're financial catastrophes. Even the President says so--he used this as a reason why we need more of both!

It's not at all surprising that Republicans favor delivering those to the people who paid into and funded them for decades, with the promise of future benefits. Promises should be kept.

You're speaking of Democrats, who've come to think robbing a rich man to keep a poor man enslaved on welfare, and to deny that poor man a decent education is somehow compassionate. And giving that man a loan he can't pay back for a house he can't afford is somehow compassionate.

It's bizarre.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." -- Frederic Bastiat

-- Cheers, James Arthur

No kidding! Watch this video about Democrat Alan Grayson:

A quote from that website where he wants Angie Langley, who disagrees with him fined and imprisoned for collecting his stupid and dangerous comments on a website:

Alan Grayson's recent self indulgent behavior has paralyzed his ability to serve as an advocate for the citizens of Central Florida. By asking Attorney General Eric Holder to fine and imprison Angie Langley for exercising her first amendment right to free political speech, Alan Grayson has sunk to an extremely alarming and potentially dangerous new low. It is clear that this man has no business representing the good people of Central Florida. Please join our effort and encourage others to do the same. This disgusting attempt to use the law enforcement arm of the federal government to silence his critics is proof positive that Alan Grayson is not only unfit for office, but that his behavior and approach is totally and utterly nuts.

We're heading into some really bad times. Off and on I write editorial pieces for the local neighborhood free newspaper (a Tribune publication).

REGULARLY readers write in to complain and suggest that the newspaper should NOT PUBLISH my comments.

"...and liberty and freedom for all" is being changed, by the Democrats, to "...and 'liberty' and 'freedom' for only those who support socialism" ...Jim Thompson

So, I am not alone.

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