Alcohol, cigarettes purchase legal on food stamps

Nymbecile: You seem to use Zimmerman references to opponents a lot lately. Obsess much?

Nymbecile Dimbulb ( J Shepard ) 1950 Cherrywood Street, Vista, CA

He's listed as J Sheppard living with Rita J Shepard (86) and Jack V Shepard (87). (760) 598-1123

He could be in his early 50's living with Mommy and Daddy. It's possible that he's Jack V Shepard, but I doubt he's 87. I think it's more likely he's an an adopted little bastard.

I knew he was formerly of Oceanside, CA because he posted with his IP address showing in his post headers once.

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Nymbecile Dimbulb ( J Shepard ) 1950 Cherrywood Street, Vista, CA

He's listed as J Sheppard living with Rita J Shepard (86) and Jack V Shepard (87). (760) 598-1123

He could be in his early 50's living with Mommy and Daddy. It's possible that he's Jack V Shepard, but I doubt he's 87. I think it's more likely he's an an adopted little bastard.

I knew he was formerly of Oceanside, CA because he posted with his IP address showing in his post headers once.

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On Jul 20, 8:15=A0am, UltimatePatriot wrote: [...]

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False. Elected officials take it from you and give it to them.

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Your "assistance"? When did you offer that assistance? Oh, wait, you didn't. It was TAKEN from you under threat of force and given away without any input from you as to who gets it.

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I see; since I dare suggest that politicians be subject to the same rules as those they impose on citizens, I must be some kind of raving Liberal.

Your logic is, well, noexistent.

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It is most certainly NOT irrelevant. Politicians are our employees, not our masters.

Then why isn't it mandatory for all public office holders, elected or appointed? Are their jobs not at least as critically dependent on being done by someone sober as say your job or mine?

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And they should also be subject to random breathalyzer testing while "working".

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I guess with your twisted "moral inequivalence" no public sector employee should be drug/alcohol tested on the job, right?

Mark L. Fergerson

I see you finally decided to read rather than lie.

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Wow! You figured out that we have a representative democracy. I'm impressed. Just because they have the tool of government to lift my wallet doesn't mean they aren't lifting my wallet.

OK, then you have no issue cutting off those who don't - including *all* druggies. Fine.

Can't do that on drugs.

Then why do you support druggies?

Ditto.

You're illiterate.

Your moral equivalence is an amazing thing to see.

Sorry, moral equivalence is *not* logic, even though it seems to pass for it in lefty circles.

They are paid for a service, no differently than you. You have no more right to their personal life than they do of yours. That's not (or shouldn't be) true of anyone on "assistance".

I wouldn't have a problem if it were, as with any employment. I do have a problem with your moral equivalence, though.

"Should"? No, probably not. If there was someone drunk on the chamber floor, perhaps a voting while drunk... Hmm, maybe...

Perhaps, but the issue has *nothing* to do with whether or not people on public assistance should. One is using my money, the other not.

Maynard is calling, DimBulb.

DimBulb, I told you Maynard was calling you.

Why don't you use your real name, Maynard? Learning from DimBulb?

Look, I know you have an infatuation for me, but, can you please keep your private affairs, more private? I really don't want to know what you do while you're not wasting time here, especially with your hands.

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Please don't waffle. Your statement "They're taking my money" is false.

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Ah, so you do recognize that you don't really get any say in how money taken from you is used.

Which is not what you originally inferred from my post.

Nice to see you're capable of recognizing and suppressing your knee- jerk responses.

Here is your false inference in all its glory. How did you get that from my suggestion that politicians should be required to follow the same rules they impose on citizens?

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Odd, you agreed with me above. You wrote:

"Just because they have the tool of government to lift my wallet doesn't mean they aren't lifting my wallet."

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There is an obvious equivalence.

Your thesis (as I infer it) is that since drug-free status is a requirement of getting and keeping a job, and that since those on welfare (or other assistance) are supposed to be seeking work, they should be required to demonstrate that status just as those who hold jobs are required to demonstrate that status by random testing.

Do I have that right?

If so, do you not agree that politicians (seek and) hold jobs? If so, by what logic do you hold that they should NOT be required to demonstrate that status as I suggest?

(Should have been "nonexistent".)

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I'm not interested in buzzwords. I'm interested in fairness.

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But mandatory drug testing is exactly them assuming the right to your and my personal lives.

Ah, I see; you believe that somebody has a right to the the personal lives of those on assistance.

I infer that you assume that what you and I (and politicians) do on private time has no effect on job performance.

Do I have that right?

I also infer that you assume that what those on assistance do on their private time (while not actively job-seeking) WILL have a negative effect on their ability to find and keep a job.

Do I have that right?

Those assumptions appear to be in conflict.

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Since you appear to agree with my suggestion, you will have to explain what you think my "moral equivalence" is in greater detail.

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How can you tell, at a glance, if someone is impaired either by drugs or alcohol? You can't, which is why objective testing methods exist.

Do you disagree that long-term drug and alcohol use have negative effects on cognition? Do I have to cite studies for you, or can you Google it for yourself?

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Whose money do you think politicians are using?

Please keep your moral relativism in mind during the runup to the coming elections.

Mark L. Fergerson

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The King's tax on each sheet of writing paper prompted unannounced searches of homes at all hours of the night to search out sheets of paper that did not have the King's tax stamp.

This heavy handed behavior was the basis of what became known as our 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure.

It's probably also why the early United States had barely any taxation and no government bloat.

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At this particular juncture, you appear to be defending welfare and supporting massive taxation.

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Are you having trouble spelling your OWN NAME right?

Fergerson? LOL

I know LOTS of people who get food stamps but the only people I know who get welfare checks (now welfare EBT) live primarily off a social security complete psych disability.

Such people actually get an EXTENSIVE package of various benefits.

SSI Check biggest Leased Housing Section 8 subsidy Food Stamps Medicaid welfare

I listed these in order of their size.

For such people, the welfare check/EBT is the smallest portion of the benefits package and totally legal to convert to cash.

As I already pointed out, the news stories about this mostly CONFUSE food stamps with other benefits.

If you want to be upset about the spending of welfare recipients, then you should start by looking at the larger amounts, I think.

There are no restrictions on how SSI checks or welfare are spent, although if one of these people botches their finances they may get placed under the control of a publicly paid PAYEE who sees to it that necessities are paid for before any impulse spending.

You would be utterly amazed at how many people living in your town are living off this complete package of SSI disability, leased housing, food stamps, Medicaid and welfare. My reaction when I discovered how extensive this is was amazement that Social Security wasn't broke sooner. Clearly Social Security has been WELFARE and not insurance for quite some time.

So yeah, being compelled to pay for all of that is very much like a "Robin Hood" act except it takes from the middle class.

Tell us more about this piggery, Nymbecile!

I recall that you hate Police.

Why is that exactly?

Nymbecile Dimbulb ( J Shepard ) 1950 Cherrywood Street, Vista, CA

He's listed as J Sheppard living with Rita J Shepard (86) and Jack V Shepard (87). (760) 598-1123

He could be in his early 50's living with Mommy and Daddy. It's possible that he's Jack V Shepard, but I doubt he's 87. I think it's more likely he's an an adopted little bastard.

I knew he was formerly of Oceanside, CA because he posted with his IP address showing in his post headers once.

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assistance.

Completely irrelevant to the fact that you are under threat of seizure of property and imprisonment for failing to pay assessed taxes.

Please look up "Whisky Rebellion".

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I fail to see any connection between what I wrote and your inference..

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That's my name. Got a problem with that, asshole?

What's YOUR name? "Greegor" can't be real.

And, you associate with them why?

Not surprising for psych cases.

Yes, I know all that. I live near Seattle; want to guess what the percentage is here?

A middle class that can't afford it any more; really, we never could.

Mark L. Fergerson

So are you a conservative in WA state? Do the liberal kooks consider you to be a NAZI?

Don't bend over backwards agreeing with me. I hate that.

AlwaysWrong, you haven't the brains to read any of this. Now run along and diddle Maynard.

I know a bit about this because friends of my dad's were foster parents:

They had five or six kids, but eventually the last one left the nest.

The house was too quiet and empty for the mother to stand.

They knew there was a need to find temporary homes for wards of the state, so they applied to become foster parents and got certified.

Foster children are wards of the state, generally taken away from parents temporarily unable to take care of them.

As such, the state is responsible to pay for their expenses, including food, clothing, and medical care. This is fair, because otherwise the state would have to build orphanages and hire nursemaids, at a much greater cost to the taxpayers.

"Food stamps" are a federal ag support program which enables low income people to buy food.

Here, the state has apparently glommed on to food stamps as a way to use federal tax money to help support its wards.

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online.

Anybody who read the link before clicking could have known that.

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In a later response, i quoted CA and Fed rules / laws. The WA RCW's merely expand in detail those same requirements.

UI is a welfare program. Congress sets the benefits, the term, the payments, etc., arbitrarily, at its whim. They even change those retroactively...

That ain't insurance.

(What ever happened to just saving some money, the ol' rainy day fund? That's cheaper, and better.)

So employers should pay workers enough so that they can both live in modest comfort and save for a rainy day. Great idea!