80% of NYC's coronavirus patients who are put on ventilators ultimately die, and some doctors are trying to stop using them

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ty School of Medicine, told NPR on April 1 that ventilators could actually damage a patient's lungs.

pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs," she said.

ert on respiratory treatment at Toronto General Hospital, told the AP.

al ventilation can worsen lung injury ? so we have to be careful ho w we use it."

AP that until a few weeks ago, it was routine in the city to place particu larly ill coronavirus patients on ventilators. Now doctors are increasingly trying other treatments.

id, "they are more likely to have a better outcome ? we think."

day that officials were examining other treatments to use before ventilatio n but that it was "all experimental," the AP reported.

the people who survive it have seriously damaged lungs.

e with cardiac arrhythmia, another treatment doctors are becoming wary of.

Here's a _very_ useful 10-minute video by a physician on NY's front lines. All his patients are COVID-19er's.

He says they've learned a lot about transmission, explains who needs to go to the hospital and when. He says transmission seems to be overwhelmingly to people who spent 20-30 minutes in physical contact, then touched their eyes, nose, or mouth.

He says it's safe for ordinary-risk people to share a house with a COVID patient, with basic sanitation precautions. High-risk people need more drastic protections, or alternate living arrangements.

He says it's safe to shop as long as you don't touch your face until after you wash your hands.

Other good, useful stuff...

Cheers, James Arthur

Have you seen any data on infection rates of people who had known, serious exposure?

Some things, like measles, will infect everyone who is not vaccinated. Some things, less so.

Only anecdotes so far. But we know, for example, that only a small fraction were infected on the Corona Princess, and that families living with Kung Pao Lung patients are generally not affected. One of my pals is an example of that.

That is plainly not the case -- it's not that easy to spread, otherwise we'd see much higher transmission.

Of tuberculosis, Dad said one guy's cough can infect everyone in the room. Chi-Commie Virus ain't that.

Cheers, James

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sity School of Medicine, told NPR on April 1 that ventilators could actuall y damage a patient's lungs.

ch pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs," she sai d.

xpert on respiratory treatment at Toronto General Hospital, told the AP.

ical ventilation can worsen lung injury ? so we have to be careful how we use it."

he AP that until a few weeks ago, it was routine in the city to place parti cularly ill coronavirus patients on ventilators. Now doctors are increasing ly trying other treatments.

said, "they are more likely to have a better outcome ? we think."

esday that officials were examining other treatments to use before ventilat ion but that it was "all experimental," the AP reported.

nd the people who survive it have seriously damaged lungs.

ple with cardiac arrhythmia, another treatment doctors are becoming wary of .

OK, That checks the 'why are face masks good?' box. I went food shopping with my bandanna on yesterday. ~20% of people had some sort of mask on. Here's a million dollar idea. Trump bandanna's! "Make America Safe Again"

George H.

I was listening to biologist podcast who said we missed a bet with the infected air craft carrier. If we had asked the crew to record what they'd done for the last few weeks we might have gotten some decent data on how it spread.

George h.

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sity School of Medicine, told NPR on April 1 that ventilators could actuall y damage a patient's lungs.

ch pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs," she sai d.

xpert on respiratory treatment at Toronto General Hospital, told the AP.

ical ventilation can worsen lung injury ? so we have to be careful how we use it."

he AP that until a few weeks ago, it was routine in the city to place parti cularly ill coronavirus patients on ventilators. Now doctors are increasing ly trying other treatments.

said, "they are more likely to have a better outcome ? we think."

esday that officials were examining other treatments to use before ventilat ion but that it was "all experimental," the AP reported.

nd the people who survive it have seriously damaged lungs.

ple with cardiac arrhythmia, another treatment doctors are becoming wary of .

Ahh I don't see a link?

Luckily, most exposed people will not develop active tuberculosis disease.

C19 is similar, most exposed people don't get noticeably sick.

That carrier's an example worth looking at -- thousands of guys on a ship, many contagious, and how many ultimately got it? About 1-of-10, so far.

Cheers, James

Done. Here's me modeling my red Republican bandana: I also have a matching blue bandana for when it's expedient to act like Democrat.

Make America Late.

That's good and bad. It's good not to be sick, of course. But any number of life-saving drugs can light up a dormant TB infection.

It's a terrible dilemma that may, in the final analysis, have cost me my dear brother Jeffrey, who did not have TB, but could not be treated until after a dreadful delay to be sure he did not. In those many days spent waiting he suffered a frightful decline, from "feeling under the weather" to "not expected to survive the night".

Cheers, James

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ersity School of Medicine, told NPR on April 1 that ventilators could actua lly damage a patient's lungs.

much pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs," she s aid.

expert on respiratory treatment at Toronto General Hospital, told the AP.

edical ventilation can worsen lung injury ? so we have to be carefu l how we use it."

the AP that until a few weeks ago, it was routine in the city to place par ticularly ill coronavirus patients on ventilators. Now doctors are increasi ngly trying other treatments.

e said, "they are more likely to have a better outcome ? we think."

dnesday that officials were examining other treatments to use before ventil ation but that it was "all experimental," the AP reported.

and the people who survive it have seriously damaged lungs.

eople with cardiac arrhythmia, another treatment doctors are becoming wary of.

Twitter, below...

Cheers, James

I don't think that guy I see with the plug-in Prius with the NRA sticker on it is fooling anyone.

Oops. That should be "Make America Late Again".

In my case, it's simply a matter of selling my vote to the highest bidder. For what little it's worth, I'm a registered Republican and am not a member of the NRA. From 1952 to 1992, California was a Republican state (except for 1964): My parents were European immigrants, who are traditionally Democrats. To piss them off, I registered Republican. It didn't seem to matter much to which party I was registered. California has done it's best to attract cheap labor, most of which have stayed. These tend to register Democrat, resulting in a switch to California becoming a Democrat state. "The immigration of Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans and migration of northern liberals, who tend to vote Democratic, and the flight of white, middle and upper-middle class suburbanites out of the state shifted the balance in favor of the Democratic Party." I guess I should follow the herd and switch my registration to Democrat. However, I'm lazy, will probably remain Republican for now, am awaiting for a suitable bribe to insure my loyalty, and have no interest in purchasing a Prius. Meanwhile, I'll wear whichever color bandana is appropriate for which way the wind blows.

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Except Trump wants it to say "Spike up your death numbers with a nice re-infection BANG party". Come back with a bang.

He wants to show that America is stupid... AGAIN.

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 5:16:57 PM UTC-7, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wro te:

ty School of Medicine, told NPR on April 1 that ventilators could actually damage a patient's lungs.

pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs," she said.

ert on respiratory treatment at Toronto General Hospital, told the AP.

al ventilation can worsen lung injury ? so we have to be careful ho w we use it."

AP that until a few weeks ago, it was routine in the city to place particu larly ill coronavirus patients on ventilators. Now doctors are increasingly trying other treatments.

id, "they are more likely to have a better outcome ? we think."

day that officials were examining other treatments to use before ventilatio n but that it was "all experimental," the AP reported.

the people who survive it have seriously damaged lungs.

e with cardiac arrhythmia, another treatment doctors are becoming wary of.

I didn't know you are a cardiologist.