Anybody have an estimate of the self-heating coefficient for an 0603 resistor on a typical PC board? Assuming standard pads and 8 mil traces, no specific heat sinking.
I'm guessing 300 k/w, given a ground plane on an inner layer maybe 10 mils below, on FR4.
Any guess about thermal time constant?
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Hey simple physics! So it's mostly Al2O3(?) and heated from the top? about 0.3mm thick?
Al2O3 has a conductivity of 30W/m*K with a thickness of 0.3 mm I get a thermal resistance of ~55 K/W (assuming no mistakes?) (from top to bottom) And everything has a heat capacity of about 3J/cm^3 so I get a heat capacity of ~ 1.6E-4 J and a TC of 55*1.6E-4 ~10ms
If you don't get reliable answers, you could buy one of these for $2, solder it down, and test it yourself.
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The interesting part might be figuring out how to put a constant power into the RTD. Intuition (and a quick derivative calculation) tells me that putting it in series with a resistor of equal value midway through the expected temperature swing and feeding it from a fixed voltage should be close.
and the power dissipation will be constant within a few tenths of a percent. If you're guessing 300K/W, then 1/3W => about 13.2V across the pair.
The temperature can be calculated directly from the RTD voltage drop (or use a Wheatstone bridge so the ADC doesn't have to work so hard, but you probably have some very good ADCs kicking around), using
Or just put it on a power supply and measure the voltage required to get the resistance at some reasonable temperature rise, but that doesn't give you the nice multiple (?) time-constant curve.
Den onsdag den 28. maj 2014 23.24.19 UTC+2 skrev Spehro Pefhany:
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it's close, ~336 to ~338mW
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That's nice. I've only got limited experience in this sort of thing, but there is also a surface contact resistance that seems to be missing. Maybe between the copper and FR4?
I've done that with a 1206 RTD. In free air, with tiny wires, tau is around 10 seconds. Soldered to lots of copper, it's more like 0.5 seconds.
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A 1206 mounted on a PCB, above a layer 2 ground plane, with normal pads and skinny traces, runs about 80 K/W.
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The Vishay paper that Lasse cited shows 350 K/W for an 0603, but it looks like the PCB had no internal copper planes.
I'm probably safe assuming 300 K/W for an 0603 over a ground plane.
The issue is self-heating error of a Susumu thinfilm resistor with about 4 milliwatts dissipated. Temp rise will be roughly 1 deg C, not much effect on resistance.
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The poor-man's thermal imager is a test board, a selection of temperature-indicating lacquer/crayons, a power supply, a clock/stopwatch, and a videocamera.
It'd be a good exercise for a lab full of students, assign three or four different heat levels to see how the thermal timing varies and fit a lot of experimental results to the model.
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