Hello, Experts I would like to ask for your opinion on following issue in RF PCB layout. I am dealing with a layout of RF PCB. There are different components in the schematic, all are in SMT packages - fully internally matched to 50 Ohm am plifiers, bias-T, AC coupling 0402 capacitors, fixed attenuators, programma ble attenuators, filters, RF switches. All components are declared in their data sheet as designed for 50 Ohm system and they are also tested that way . Therefore, in case I want to do a good design "by the book", I have to make all pads and traces to be 50 Ohm. Components have different pad widths in their footprints, as they suggested by manufacturers: 12, 14, 24, 31, 42, 60 mil. But, in case they are referenced to the same ground layer beneath, they can 't be of the same characteristic impedance. It is simply because of their d ifferent width. What would you suggest as a solution for this situation. The maximum operating frequency for the circuit is 2 GHz. Thank you :-)
RF board layout
May 25, 2020
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The wavelength at 2 GHz, even in a pcb trace, is inches. So a surface-mount pad is not significant from an impedance discontinuity standpoint. Short traces won't matter much either.
50 ohms and 1 pF is a 50 ps time constant, omega=20 GHz, Fc=3G, and a typical surface-mount pad is a small fraction of 1 pF.On faster stuff, we sometimes punch a hole in the layer 2 ground plane, to reduce pad capacitance, which we do mostly by guesswork.
It's worth analyzing vias if they are in your signal path. A common via might add a full pF or more.
I assume that layer 2 is your ground plane, and the board is FR4. How thick is your first dielectric layer? Some pcb houses default to absurd thicknesses like 4 mils, and don't read fab drawings.
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
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Claude Bernard
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the schematic, all are in SMT packages - fully internally matched to 50 Ohm amplifiers, bias-T, AC coupling 0402 capacitors, fixed attenuators, progra mmable attenuators, filters, RF switches. All components are declared in th eir data sheet as designed for 50 Ohm system and they are also tested that way.
ake all pads and traces to be 50 Ohm.
ted by manufacturers: 12, 14, 24, 31, 42, 60 mil.
can't be of the same characteristic impedance. It is simply because of thei r different width.
The material is Isola FR408, L2 is a reference ground layers, Top to L2 die lectric thickness is 5.8 mil, epsilon is 3.8.
There are only power supply voltage and ground vias, all routing is done on the top layer.
So a 12 mil wide trace is 50 ohms. That's why the pads seem so huge.
4-layer board I'm finishing now, the dielectric is 25. That make a 50 ohm microstrip about 50 mils wide, and less lossy.A 10-layer board, also in process now, will be 8 mils from L1 to L2 ground, for a 14 mil 50 ohm trace. Inner layers traces need to be 6 mils.
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
Science teaches us to doubt.
Claude Bernard
Theoretically you could adapt by etching away part of the ground plane underneath pads that are wider than 50ohms would allow, or if too small add top ground traces very close to them to bring the impedance down. However, as John wrote, at 2GHz short sections such as pads don't matter much.
Regards, Joerg
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Here's a bit of analog stuff that works at about 1.5 GHz
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I used a lot of vias and sideways caps to get good grounding and bypassing. L2 is solid ground and L3 has power pours.
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
Science teaches us to doubt.
Claude Bernard
he schematic, all are in SMT packages - fully internally matched to 50 Ohm amplifiers, bias-T, AC coupling 0402 capacitors, fixed attenuators, program mable attenuators, filters, RF switches. All components are declared in the ir data sheet as designed for 50 Ohm system and they are also tested that w ay.
ke all pads and traces to be 50 Ohm.
ed by manufacturers: 12, 14, 24, 31, 42, 60 mil.
an't be of the same characteristic impedance. It is simply because of their different width.
You?ll want to choose a polyamide PCB like GETEK or equiv for bette r loss tangent.. Thinner dielectrics allow finer trace 50 ohm traces. But depends if you wanta Return loss of 15 dB or better. Use Saturn PCB design tools (free) Electrical impedance testing is suggested or specified.
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he schematic, all are in SMT packages - fully internally matched to 50 Ohm amplifiers, bias-T, AC coupling 0402 capacitors, fixed attenuators, program mable attenuators, filters, RF switches. All components are declared in the ir data sheet as designed for 50 Ohm system and they are also tested that w ay.
ke all pads and traces to be 50 Ohm.
ed by manufacturers: 12, 14, 24, 31, 42, 60 mil.
an't be of the same characteristic impedance. It is simply because of their different width.
Use Duriod and co-planer microstrip. (maybe not that critical at 2Ghz) We h ad a board built for 8Ghz, it was a disaster. The company used FR4, too muc h loss, should have been Duroid. They used 50 ohm lines, but should have be en co-planer microstrip, but wasn't. The microstrip radiates and ba modes e xist without co-planer. With the two losses, we couldn't get the required output power.
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