CA3140 (or other) op-amp with accurate wide-ranging output?

Apr 23, 2006 3 Replies

Hi, I have looked at CA3140 data sheets and seen that the output can reach close to the positive rail on a split rail supply, and (allegedly) right down to the negative rail.



This isn't as clear as it should be. First, on a single rail supply, the offset cannot be trimmed to get a true zero output, you MUST have some negative. At least, this is true on the two I just tested. Second, all the specs I've seen assume a symmetrical split supply, or a low single rail supply.



As I want as much positive overhead as I can get (to measure thirty watts at 1W/V from a thermopile sensor), my idea is to use a split rail supply whose total is 34 volts, with just a few hundred mV (possibly derived by Schottky diode drop) for negative, leaving me a full 30 volts on the positive side. I want a gain of about 11, so the input values are within bounds for the full output, and I should now get the full through-zero adjustment for input offset to appear corretly on the output.



Will this work without frying the IC? And can anyone suggest some common, low price and good performing IC's that can do this? Given this concept it doesn't have to be capable of a single rail supply with to-zero output, it just has to accept a VERY asymmetrical split rail. :) I'm hoping the LF411 or LF412 (with external offset trim) can do this.


Jamie wrote in news:vjU2g.2381$ snipped-for-privacy@fe03.lga:

I can get the dual supply, that's not the tough bit... I think that DC-DC converter would be entirely over-egging the pudding. :) I can do the whole thing with a dual op-amp and a few resistors, one half to make the split rail out of single rail, the second to do the gain, with offset control added. I've done this, it works great. (Common rail problem will not be a problem, I've worked round that one already).

The only snag is I'm not sure I can do it with the mid-rail ground so asymmetrically arranged as to get fully 30 V up from zero. I can try but I'd rather not risk wasting op-amps when the question might be better answered here first. What bothers me is that most op-amps might only be specified for an output to around 15 volts give or take a couple, even when like they CA3140, they're said to be able to operate from a >30V single rail. Getting 30 within +/- 16 might not be at all the same thing as doing it within +30/-2, and I want to be sure of what I can get away with.

you really should have some kind of dual supply to get a true 0 output.. what i did once was to use a simple LM324 to generate a negative supply voltage that operated the Vee/Vdd side of any opamp while i used the already + rail supply for the Vcc.. etf.. with a diode i guess you could lift the common of the supply a bit and use that as the common for the signal out.., and use the real common for the rest of the components on board but make sure this common does not connect with the internal common.! this will give you about a -0.7 volt effect. my self, i would just place a dual output DC-DC converter on board.

Real Programmers Do things like this. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

If I could get a tenth of the input for this that is being put into debating the licensing laws and beverage economics, I'd have a small book's worth of help. :)

Can anyone help with this op-amp question of mine? I do try to be on topic, I really do...

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