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Just did this on a CMOS chip design to DC restore video and separate Coaxitron UTC signals. Then it hit me, you can do a DC restorer and sync separator in similar fashion with ordinary LM339's...

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Or you can do it with exactly one triode.

Ah, progress!

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Probably.

I do own the whole set of Tektronix of TV measurement manuals, from the '60's ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Thats good, because National just stopped making the LM1881

:-(

I did a lot of field sequential and split screen stereo video work using LM1881

RIP LM1881

Steve

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I've always used LM339, since the '70's, but more complicated than this latest rendition. The CMOS design job tweaked my thoughts and then I saw the LM339 simplifications. ...Jim Thompson

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Digikey still has a thousand. Might be a good inflation protector if there is a spare parts market for sync separators :-)

I've used it once myself but usually I did sync separators in discrete and jelly-bean parts. I do not trust chips for the TV and radio markets much. All it takes is one major VCR or whatever manufacturer jumping ship and ... chop.

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It was introduced in the late '80s and on the market for 20 years.

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Not a very long time. Some of my designs run longer than that in production.

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So? The LM1881 outlived the demand, and is obsolete. Sony made a similar part at one time for their TV cameras.

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In the past week I posted a trivial solution using LM339's. ...Jim Thompson

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A similar circuit was floating around in the early '80s to convert TTL monochrome monitors into composite. A PC board & kit of parts was $7 including the 10 position edge connector. The LM1881 and Sony chip were used in cheap vidicon cameras.

Next he will be bitching that National dropped the MM5321.

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production.

I figured out the full crack for cable encoding... then I realized there was no reason to bother... no material worth watching ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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production.

...not even the Alpo dog food commercial? I think, of all of the commercials, that one was the _best_.

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production.

The first 'scrambling' I encountered was the jamming signal in the TV channel's guard band. A tunable L/C notch filter got rid of that. It was overloading the distribution amps at some of the schools I serviced. The strange thing was that the old metal cased B&W Zenith school TVs already had a tuned trap in the guard band, and all it took was careful tuning to eliminate the jamming. My filters were a pair of parallel tuned traps, with a serial tuned trap to ground between them.

Years later I installed, programmed and calibrated a 'Hamlin' system. What a piece of crap.

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production.

My first encounter with TV scrambling was subscription ON TV (over-the-air UHF). It used a superimposed gain-riding 15.75KHz sine-wave.

Apparently their engineers were sufficiently lacking in talent that the distributed boxes used only a coarse "one-over" compensation, resulting in recovered pictures having light edges.

My perfectionist personality created a circuit that was exact, so my picture quality was better than that of the paying customers ;-)

About one week after I had it working, ON TV went belly-up :-(

Then came suppressed sync. Trivial for an engineer if you just watch the signal with a 'scope for a while... solution jumps right out at you.

I would gather that present day cable boxes are more exotic, but there's nothing on cable worth the effort to crack it ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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production.

Two weeks before Ch. 64 (WIII) shut down their ON TV in Cincinnati, Mendelson's (a huge electronic surplus dealer in Dayton) sold two tractor trailer loads of new & used On TV boxes, antenna kits and extra hardware at the Dayton hamfests. Guys were buying pallets of them for $1000 each while dreaming of the money they would make after modifying them. :)

Even easier on a video waveform monitor where you can select individual lines of NTSC video. I have a Tektronix RM529, and the HP clone that were made for the CCU consoles at TV stations. :)

There's nothing on TV worth watch, other than local news & weather. It's supposed to be cold again for the next few days, so I'll watch the pile of DVDs that I haven't seen. I picked up the entire original 'V' TV series for under $10 a few weeks ago. Sometimes I enjoy watching bad Sci-Fi and idiot politics. :)

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