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That's about *energy* payback, not CO2. The only mention of CO2 that I saw is that they have essentially zero emissions, which is true, but not the point I addressed.

My concern with them is the large carbon footprint (not the energy consumption) of mining, refining, and manufacture. The energy cost and the carbon emissions are related, but the devil is in *how* they're related. And because no-one talks about this point, I'm suspicious about it.

One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all Go ask Alice when she's ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits and you know you're going to fall Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar gas given you the call Call Alice when she was just small

When the men on the chessboard get up and tell you where to go And you've just had some kind of mushroom and your mind is moving low Go ask Alice I think she'll know

When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead And the White Knight is talking backwards and the Red Queen's off her head Remember what the dormouse said Feed your head Feed your head

I think it's also criminal: they tell us that this country's a democracy. If that's true, there's no such thing as "government property": it's ours; without our permission, what they're doing is theft, and the buyers are receivers of stolen goods.

And how about this? QANTAS was a magnificent cash cow for decades: milions of dollars every year into consolidated revenue; then Keating sold it. Similarly the Commonwealth Bank (Hawke was PM at the start of th proces, but Keating was the Treasurer, and carried it forward and completed it after he became PM). How the f*ck was he able to tout himself as "the greatest treasurer in the world" and still keep a straight face?

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You don't?

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So maintaining her delusions of adequacy.

Ned

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Ned Latham

Echidnas too. We had one when we lived in a suburb in Canberra. I was amazed given how rarely I've sighted them in my whole life.

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Don't mind the village idiot of aus.politics, poor old Petz.

Concepts like chemical equations and the concept of volume and density are beyond his current capabilities.

Purely on weight: Carbon atomic weight 12 Oxygen atomic weight 16 and that times 2 (remember CO2)

That makes CO2=44 vs pure carbon=12. That is a 3.7 times weight increase per mole of substance.

Carbon is a solid. CO2 is in this case liquefied. Their densities are still very different meaning that the resulting liquid will need to take up more space than the removed carbon.

So far science has not been able to create real magic. Maybe we need qualified alchemists to solve this problem.

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Oxyfuel Coal powered station latest technology are NOT air breathers they use liquid Oxygen vaporized and mixed with the recirculated "flue/stack" gas the coal is combusted over a fluidized bed which removes the waste as carbon particles. The CO2 emissions are very much reduced and liquefied and pumped thousands of feed underground as carbon capture. Nothing goes to atmosphere

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yes, I love my pussy.. :)

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Carbon capture where? In the ground? Is that permanent? I suspect not. A gold mine in Canada used arsenic capture into the ground as a solution for their waste issue. Unfortunately geology took them by surprise and now there's a multi billion dollar waste control issue that the mining company, now dissolved, has no interest in. Back to the taxpayer.

A start in natural carbon sequestration would be to reinstate forests instead of removing them.

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You forgot Bogans and Aboriginals.

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THat may be so Felix (or is it Felix?), but every feral cat in the country, BAR NONE, is descended from domestic cats. You have to take that into account.

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LOL

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Ned Latham

update your theory talking about pressure

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Pretty much a lowlife act to a neighbor. Cats are four legs and belly, of course if they smell tuna or salmon they are going to work out how to get it

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No mention or survey mentioned the greater killing of birds by rats, The greatest threat is "flying rats" (Indian Myna) Indian Myma's,

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This clown is mixed up, next he will blame CO2 emissions for climate when it is known the Earth is moving on it's axis! The North Pole is heading to London English

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Hey Fran I shoot then as well also starlings

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If they're on your property, then I can't see a problem with that. It's probably like it is round here for dogs, "shoot and shut up". But I do trap feral cats and take them to the pound as shooting the would not be possible.

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Clevor Trevor is applying these actions in high density suburbia (City of Sydney), not wop wop! This is attacking domestic de-sexed companion cats1!

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Clevor Trevor is applying these actions in high density suburbia (City of Sydney), not wop wop! This is attacking domestic de-sexed companion cats1!

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No he isn't he is making sure the comfort cat is returned to it's irresponsible owner who lets kitty wander where it could be hit by a car

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He's playing with fire if he actually does as he claims here. He's (apparently) blissfully unaware of how much a cat can be a dearly loved family member. He better hope the wrong kind of person/victim doesn't become aware of his activities because I know what I'd do to Trevor had he done this to one of my girls.

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